Look if you dare ... first reported on this board by Bubba AKA Dan Hankins back in March of 2004. As he described it: “The ‘cone of protection’ on the Edelmann 10 m pistol targets often keeps the pellet from hitting a deep 10, by deflecting the pellet as it approaches the 10 ring. Not every Edelmann target has this cone of protection, but I have seen 10 shots form a circle in the 9 ring, as if the cone was deflecting them from the 10.”
Well, I finally had it manifest on my basement range. Spooky! Thank goodness it dissipated as soon as I switched to dry-fire mode on the pistol.
http://www.midcoast.com/~junebug/shooting/conepic.jpg
Photographic evidence: the elusive "Cone of Protection
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Luis Medina
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David Levene
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Ah yes !!! The "Cone of Protection" syndrome. I know it well---many's the time I have witnessed similar manifestations of this wicked little Poltergeist. I used to say " shoot all the way around the ten and let it fall out"---"now score the target---I dare you." My FP match the other night was of similar ilk---shoot around the black on the six ring and let the black fall to the range floor. Bob R. in Plattsburgh NY b-r-r-r-r-r
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Bob LeDoux
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Wrong day to post
This is more appropriate for an April 1st. post.
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Dan Hankins
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Cone of Protection
Luftrick,
Thank you for providing the photograph. Solid proof of the existance of the Cone of Protection on some Edleman targets.
We should aknowledge that Edleman is not the only target that the Cone Of Protection effects. In fact the COP may affect the POI on any target in random sequence, and may be a condition that occurs in nature. Sililar to the infamous Gravity Well that causes perfectly sober men and women to fall for no apparent reason. Most often seen in public places that serve alcholic beverages. but not limited to those places by any notion. The very strong pull of gravity in the way of the gravity well will also deflect pellets in flight.
To Mr. Ledoux, with all due respect, this subject would certainly be appropriate for April Fools day, if it was not proven, now, that there is a COP, and that it does appear to be randomly distributed around the United States, and not just at the Southern Test Facility in southwest Missouri.
It's real, it can happen any where at any time. Deal with it!
Respectfully,
Bubba AKA Dan Hankins
Shooting paper targets well is not a matter of life and death. It's just a little more important.
Thank you for providing the photograph. Solid proof of the existance of the Cone of Protection on some Edleman targets.
We should aknowledge that Edleman is not the only target that the Cone Of Protection effects. In fact the COP may affect the POI on any target in random sequence, and may be a condition that occurs in nature. Sililar to the infamous Gravity Well that causes perfectly sober men and women to fall for no apparent reason. Most often seen in public places that serve alcholic beverages. but not limited to those places by any notion. The very strong pull of gravity in the way of the gravity well will also deflect pellets in flight.
To Mr. Ledoux, with all due respect, this subject would certainly be appropriate for April Fools day, if it was not proven, now, that there is a COP, and that it does appear to be randomly distributed around the United States, and not just at the Southern Test Facility in southwest Missouri.
It's real, it can happen any where at any time. Deal with it!
Respectfully,
Bubba AKA Dan Hankins
Shooting paper targets well is not a matter of life and death. It's just a little more important.
C O P's (are robbers!)
Bubba (respectfully, of course),
We all witness this strange phenomenon. Sometimes it appears for only one shot....the important one, or sometimes it gets very nasty and engorges itself on passing lead to encompass more black. Have been working on countermeasures for the gravity wells, but I seem to have fallen off the wagon. April 1st? Nope....mid winter 'tween match observations. Besides, we all do this for fun.......don't we?
CraigE
NE Sidereal Anomaly Study Center
We all witness this strange phenomenon. Sometimes it appears for only one shot....the important one, or sometimes it gets very nasty and engorges itself on passing lead to encompass more black. Have been working on countermeasures for the gravity wells, but I seem to have fallen off the wagon. April 1st? Nope....mid winter 'tween match observations. Besides, we all do this for fun.......don't we?
CraigE
NE Sidereal Anomaly Study Center
This "Cone of protection" is an actual scientific fact that is caused by meteorological phenomena similar to the hygrometric nanoreceptors on the beak of a plastic drinking bird. The black absorbs heat and the white reflects it. Simple. Also, when shooting from North to South, or vice versa, the coriolis effect can transform these benign wavelengths into an aversive magnetic cyclone.
When these phemomena manifest themselves, the only known way of reversing the effects is to electrically induce the right angular gyrus while in a theta brainwave state, bilaterally reducing the effect of the substantia nigra within your stance, making sure all the time that the dissociative reverse corona is not manifest at the same time in the medulla gray bits.
When these phemomena manifest themselves, the only known way of reversing the effects is to electrically induce the right angular gyrus while in a theta brainwave state, bilaterally reducing the effect of the substantia nigra within your stance, making sure all the time that the dissociative reverse corona is not manifest at the same time in the medulla gray bits.
It's so simple
Thanks for the explanation Walter....and the continuing education credits. Now back to practice. CraigE
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Hairy Clipper
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A Breakthrough!?
After close inspection, I realized that I had inadvertently used a target from my "old stock" of Edelmann's; note in the picture it is printed with a U.I.T approval seal! I switched to the newer I.S.S.F approved targets and it seemed to do the trick. My first shot on target was a 10.9! The next shot merely enlarged the hole in the center of the target by a fraction of a millimeter! And the same with the third. Six perfect 100 targets later I was in shock. It was like I couldn't shoot a nine if I wanted to. It was incredible! Then I actually tried to shoot a nine and couldn't. Panicked, I tried to shoot into the white of the target, but much to my dismay, another 10.9! Horrified, I realized that I had created an inversion of the cone and now I was doomed to shoot only perfect shots, no matter what my shot preparation consisted of ...
Then I woke up.
Oh well, back to my dry-firing and daydreaming. Happy Sunday all, GO PATRIOTS!
Patrick
After close inspection, I realized that I had inadvertently used a target from my "old stock" of Edelmann's; note in the picture it is printed with a U.I.T approval seal! I switched to the newer I.S.S.F approved targets and it seemed to do the trick. My first shot on target was a 10.9! The next shot merely enlarged the hole in the center of the target by a fraction of a millimeter! And the same with the third. Six perfect 100 targets later I was in shock. It was like I couldn't shoot a nine if I wanted to. It was incredible! Then I actually tried to shoot a nine and couldn't. Panicked, I tried to shoot into the white of the target, but much to my dismay, another 10.9! Horrified, I realized that I had created an inversion of the cone and now I was doomed to shoot only perfect shots, no matter what my shot preparation consisted of ...
Then I woke up.
Oh well, back to my dry-firing and daydreaming. Happy Sunday all, GO PATRIOTS!
Patrick
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warpmaster1
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Shattering the cone
A simple remedy for the cone of protection, hit return on your target controller - or wind it back towards you (manual ranges). Now with the target 10 cms from the muzzle as opposed to 10 m take careful aim ...
PS: THROW THE TARGET AWAY - DONT SCORE IT (HONESTY IS A GOOD THING)
PS: THROW THE TARGET AWAY - DONT SCORE IT (HONESTY IS A GOOD THING)
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tseuG
Pellet deflecting meta-forces
Luft-Patrick, targets like the one in your photo also appear here in Europe. The malign forces are active here too, on a given day.
My new Matchguns MG 1, with its higher pellet velocity, seems to have enough pellet inertia to partlly oversome the "Crop Sircle Formation Effect" of Louis Medina. The 9.9s go 10.0s sometimes.
On a bad day, when the pellets simply refuse to go near center, the approach of "Hairy Clipper" is tempthing.
Regards,
your friend
tseuG
My new Matchguns MG 1, with its higher pellet velocity, seems to have enough pellet inertia to partlly oversome the "Crop Sircle Formation Effect" of Louis Medina. The 9.9s go 10.0s sometimes.
On a bad day, when the pellets simply refuse to go near center, the approach of "Hairy Clipper" is tempthing.
Regards,
your friend
tseuG