Starter Air Pistol

spektr · Post by **spektr** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:15 pm

Are you the same William with a bunch of useful posts about a Vulcan cannon?
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If you hadn't noticed: The Vulcan posts, mine and I'm pretty sure everybody else's, were attempts at humor (with varying degrees of success). Or do you believe somebody here is really selling one? If that's the case, this may refresh your memory.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=62544
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OK How about a REAL one for sale, out of stock, but REALLY cool

https://www.evike.com/products/34905/

Gwhite · Post by **Gwhite** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:19 pm

As long as we are being silly about miniguns, how about a rubber band firing version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBDN0oSgb4

lyoke2 · Post by **lyoke2** » Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:41 pm

I did order the Walther AP20 on eBay. Should be a good first step. Definitely can't complain about the price after my gift cards / coupons.

Azmodan · Post by **Azmodan** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:47 am

the Artemis PP20 pistol is now in stock in the UK at £450

https://www.airrifleshop.co.uk/products ... 8799755459
https://bagnallandkirkwood.co.uk/produc ... air-pistol
https://www.surplusstore.co.uk/artemis- ... arget.html

however, not a single review yet. anyone got one to test?

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:07 am

Coming soon to a dealer near you:

"Due to Government legislation (please see the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 Pt2 section 31-34) we can not deliver Air Weapons or Air Weapon parts (including Silencers/Moderators) direct to you for free (These have to be purchased in a face to face transaction) so there are three options if you would like to order this item from us, with each you MUST be able to present two valid forms of I.d. outlined at the bottom of the page."

seamaster · Post by **seamaster** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:32 pm

krale.shop carries many Artemis products.

email them to see if Krale.shop carry this new PP20.

shipping is quick and reasonable if they have it.

Looks like a good, very good pistol. Snow Peak is a former Walther/Chinese coop corporation. You can probably interchange parts of this pistol with Walther parts. Very good price, if Krale carries it.

northpaw · Post by **northpaw** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:55 am

The Artemis PP20, - some slight similarities to the Steyr LP 10? No? Made in China, I believe, a budget "copy". What to expect about the build quality?
No unbiased reviews available yet, but if may turn out to be a reliable gun, it may become an alternative to the IZZY 46 (the plinker/clunker..). The PP 20 weights 1100 grams, some more than the top match AP at present. But significantly less than the IZZY 46 M, which weights 2,86 lbs, a hefty 1300 grams.
https://www.amazon.com/IZH-46M-Match-Pi ... op?ie=UTF8

As ugly is it gets.

Green_Canoe · Post by **Green_Canoe** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:49 am

northpaw wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:55 am The Artemis PP20, - some slight similarities to the Steyr LP 10? No? Made in China, I believe, a budget "copy". What to expect about the build quality?
No unbiased reviews available yet, but if may turn out to be a reliable gun, it may become an alternative to the IZZY 46 (the plinker/clunker..). The PP 20 weights 1100 grams, some more than the top match AP at present. But significantly less than the IZZY 46 M, which weights 2,86 lbs, a hefty 1300 grams.
https://www.amazon.com/IZH-46M-Match-Pi ... op?ie=UTF8

As ugly is it gets.

Your IZH weights are a little off. Here's the results for two I actually put on the scales:

IZH-46 1090gr
IZH-46M 1170gr

-TT- · Post by **-TT-** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:46 pm

Green_Canoe wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:49 am IZH-46 1090gr
IZH-46M 1170gr

And the new Air Venturi version:

AV-46M 1150g

northpaw · Post by **northpaw** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:27 am

Green_Canoe wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:49 am Your IZH weights are a little off. Here's the results for two I actually put on the scales:

IZH-46 1090gr
IZH-46M 1170gr

Hey, man, I´m just refering to weights given at websites, as I do not own, and never will own, an Izzy 46.
A fancy red-laminated wood grip- does it make an ugly gun any better ? No.

This gun really is clumpsy, ungainly, and ugly. A clunker.
https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/air ... st-review/

seamaster · Post by **seamaster** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:28 am

Hey, man.

You must not have played with IZH 46M. It is a well designed, engineered, a force de resistance amongst aficionados. I had many years of fun with it. If you can shoot well with it, you can shoot well with any air pistol. A very robust, manly, pistol.

IF you read your cited review, it gave IZH 46M one of their highest award and praise.

william · Post by **william** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:56 am

seamaster wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:28 am Hey, man.

You must not have played with IZH 46M. It is a well designed, engineered, a force de resistance amongst aficionados. I had many years of fun with it. If you can shoot well with it, you can shoot well with any air pistol. A very robust, manly, pistol.

IF you read your cited review, it gave IZH 46M one of their highest award and praise.

But, but... it won't make you more attractive to the girls.

Seriously, if you're not a near-invalid, there's nothing wrong with the Izh. It's much like a T34, you know, the tank that won the war. Typically Russian - designed for a specific task, crude where it doesn't matter (like looks) and among the best in the world where it does.

northpaw · Post by **northpaw** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:24 am

seamaster wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:28 am IZH 46M... If you can shoot well with it, you can shoot well with any air pistol.

Certainly.

seamaster · Post by **seamaster** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:24 am

Like a T34 : )

What an apt analogy ! Even the Germans agree that was the best in the world.

Azmodan · Post by **Azmodan** » Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:56 am

PP20 in stock at Krale: https://www.krale.shop/eu/artemis-pp20/ for 499 euros

but no actual review as of yet. a review from someone who has used a "real" 10m air pistol before and can note differences

Ade C · Post by **Ade C** » Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:02 am

Azmodan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:56 am PP20 in stock at Krale: https://www.krale.shop/eu/artemis-pp20/ for 499 euros

but no actual review as of yet. a review from someone who has used a "real" 10m air pistol before and can note differences

I only know of one person in the UK who has bought one. It's been returned twice due to regulator issues

B Lafferty · Post by **B Lafferty** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:09 am

spektr wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:15 pm Are you the same William with a bunch of useful posts about a Vulcan cannon?

If you hadn't noticed: The Vulcan posts, mine and I'm pretty sure everybody else's, were attempts at humor (with varying degrees of success). Or do you believe somebody here is really selling one? If that's the case, this may refresh your memory.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=62544
[/quote]

OK How about a REAL one for sale, out of stock, but REALLY cool

https://www.evike.com/products/34905/
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Be kind. A humor impaired life is a difficult life.........

B Lafferty · Post by **B Lafferty** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:16 am

seamaster wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:32 pm krale.shop carries many Artemis products.

email them to see if Krale.shop carry this new PP20.

shipping is quick and reasonable if they have it.

Looks like a good, very good pistol. Snow Peak is a former Walther/Chinese coop corporation. You can probably interchange parts of this pistol with Walther parts. Very good price, if Krale carries it.

I would think that if anyone were to carry this pistol online here in the US it would be Pyramid Air. Not yet, however.

B Lafferty · Post by **B Lafferty** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:28 am

Another Artemis air pistol, the PP800, looks like one marketed under the Diana brand here in the US. Is that the reality?

Web · Post by **Web** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:25 pm

I just moved up to a Steyr evo 10 compact after shooting my starter AP20 Pro for a year and just over 5000 trouble-free rounds. I love the evo, but highly recommend the AP20 Pro as a first 10-meter pistol.

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