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David M
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Coaching Corner

Post by David M »

Let's kick off a coaching discussion for new shooters.
What are the 6 typical basics for any precision pistol shooter ?
I will start...

1/ Stance
2/...
3/...
4/...
5/...
6/...
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David M wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:35 pm Let's kick off a coaching discussion for new shooters.
What are the 5 typical basics for any precision pistol shooter ?
I will start...

1/ Stance
2/Grip
3/...
4/...
5/...
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Post by ChipEck »

See the front sight clearly
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Squeeze the trigger, dont pull it.....
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1. Stance is complex with body position to target(natural point of aim); head position(up right not tilted to side or up/down)

5. Follow thru
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Post by Pat McCoy »

The two "basics" are to align the sights with the target and the shooter's eye; to make the gun fire without disturbing the prior alignment. All else is technique.
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You guys forgot breathing...
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Alignment, alignment.
Keep pulling trigger, keep pulling.
Let it flow, let it flow.
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Mindset, goals.
10m: Steyr Lp1
25m: Morini CM22RF
CF: Benelli MP90s 32WC
50m: Toz35/Vostok mu 2-3
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ChipEck wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:28 pm See the front sight clearly
Sight Picture
spektr wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:33 pm Squeeze the trigger, dont pull it.....
Trigger Control
Tangohammerli wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:54 pm 1. Stance is complex with body position to target(natural point of aim); head position(up right not tilted to side or up/down)

5. Follow thru
Follow Through
Gwhite wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:52 am You guys forgot breathing...
Breathing
VonKasta wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:15 am Mindset, goals.
Mindset, more of a Advanced element than a basic.

So we now have 5 of the 6 basic elements...
1/ Stance
2/ Sight Picture
3/ Trigger Control
4/ Follow Through
5/ Breathing
6/...
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David M wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:08 am Mindset, more of a Advanced element than a basic.

So we now have 5 of the 6 basic elements...
1/ Stance
2/ Sight Picture
3/ Trigger Control
4/ Follow Through
5/ Breathing
6/...
Yeah youre right, I try to teach both and sometimes I get it mixed up.

I go by 9 basics:

Warm up
Posture/stance
Grip
Breathing
Lift
Aim
Trigger control
Follow through
Routine for loading next shot (air pistol, for .22 25m call it between shots routine)

Edit: gun manners are also one of the basics but I suppose you are looking for the more practical things.
10m: Steyr Lp1
25m: Morini CM22RF
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50m: Toz35/Vostok mu 2-3
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PELLET TESTING, PELLET TESTING, PELLET TESTING
GOTTA SPEND TIME TESTING PELLETS
OH MY GOD WHERE ARE THE CHINESE PELLETS
WHAT DOES MY GUN SHOOT BEST
HOW WILL I KNOW
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Post by Tangohammerli »

Don't forget proper placement of wind flags..
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Post by David M »

VonKasta wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:30 am I go by 9 basics:

Warm up
Posture/stance
Grip
Breathing
Lift
Aim
Trigger control
Follow through
Routine for loading next shot (air pistol, for .22 25m call it between shots routine)

Edit: gun manners are also one of the basics but I suppose you are looking for the more practical things.
OK, I would add Grip for sure as a basic, Warm Up and Routine again I would put in Advanced.
Basics
1/ Stance
2/ Sight Picture
3/ Trigger Control
4/ Follow Through
5/ Breathing
6/ Grip

Advanced
Mindset, Warm Up and Routine let’s call
7/ Sport Psychology (Mindset and Relaxation)
8/ Match Preparation and Shot Plan
and I will add
9/ Shot Calling and Analyse
Any other Advanced elements.....?
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Post by Tangohammerli »

Advanced..
Alterations to pistol for preference of shooter.
Includes grip and weight ( added or subtracted)

Specialized or at least dedicated foot wear

Any level, dry fire, dry fire, dry fire
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David M wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:02 amAny other Advanced elements.....?
The most important advanced element that no one mentioned is: Don't stop believing in yourself no matter what happens...
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that is of course if you ignore some of the other points
- load magazine with required number of shots (25m)
- eyewear on and correctly aligned
- hearing protection
- magazine inserted and slide closed (25m)
- check that first round has fed (25m)
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Post by David M »

Next step is to take the Basic Elements and re-arrange them in order from the Most Important to the Least important.
Stance
Sight Picture
Trigger Control
Follow Through
Breathing
Grip

So which is the most important....?
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Post by Tangohammerli »

I will go with sight picture, followed by trigger control.
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Post by seamaster »

trigger more important then my sight picture, as my SCATT show me.
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