Scatt decode....Elliptical factor
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Scatt decode....Elliptical factor
I was wondering if anyone can give me a bit more information about the Elliptical Factor on my trace info. What does the reading mean to me? How can I use this information to improve?
Thanks
Mark
For group 1.24
Trace 0.91
This is for a 9mm pistol at 25 m
30 shots , score 290 ,fractional 301.7
Thanks
Mark
For group 1.24
Trace 0.91
This is for a 9mm pistol at 25 m
30 shots , score 290 ,fractional 301.7
Re: Scatt decode....Elliptical factor
These links can be helpful. Part 2 discusses the elliptical factor.
http://www.gunandrun.com/2015/06/interp ... races.html
http://www.gunandrun.com/2015/06/interp ... art-2.html
http://www.gunandrun.com/2015/06/interp ... art-3.html
And this-
http://www.coachexcellence.net/wp-conte ... -SCATT.pdf
http://www.gunandrun.com/2015/06/interp ... races.html
http://www.gunandrun.com/2015/06/interp ... art-2.html
http://www.gunandrun.com/2015/06/interp ... art-3.html
And this-
http://www.coachexcellence.net/wp-conte ... -SCATT.pdf
Re: Scatt decode....Elliptical factor
Perfect.
Many thanks
Many thanks
Re: Scatt decode....Elliptical factor
My understanding of the elliptical factor for group is it indicates how round the group is, number one would indicate a round group numbers greater or smaller than one would be an elliptical group. The for tracing number is the roundness of the tracing leading up to the shot. I do not pay much attention to these numbers. I do not know if or how I should train to modify them. I suspect improving my stability, trigger control, and accuracy of sighting will improve these numbers.
I pay more attention to the mm/s, % time in the ten ring, co-ordination graph, distance between average aiming point and shot, and the difference between the group size and the stability of aim. Speed graph can also be useful.
Your attached picture shows a large disparity between stability of hold and group size. Trigger control, shot release may be a problem some of the time.
Attached is a group I shot using a MG4. Group size and stability of aim are similar. My stability of aim is much worse than yours but I shot within my hold. Elliptical numbers are closer to 1, do not know if the difference is meaningful. Without the individual trace for each shot for both of these files, it is a bit hard to know what you or I need to work on to improve. I would like to have your stability of aiming number and to shoot within the hold.
I pay more attention to the mm/s, % time in the ten ring, co-ordination graph, distance between average aiming point and shot, and the difference between the group size and the stability of aim. Speed graph can also be useful.
Your attached picture shows a large disparity between stability of hold and group size. Trigger control, shot release may be a problem some of the time.
Attached is a group I shot using a MG4. Group size and stability of aim are similar. My stability of aim is much worse than yours but I shot within my hold. Elliptical numbers are closer to 1, do not know if the difference is meaningful. Without the individual trace for each shot for both of these files, it is a bit hard to know what you or I need to work on to improve. I would like to have your stability of aiming number and to shoot within the hold.
Re: Scatt decode....Elliptical factor
There were a few flyers into the 8, the trigger is 1360 Grams and acceleration is ok given the trigger weight. When I look at the numbers for my LP10 they are much lower.
Will have a read and see if I can learn anything.
Thanks
Will have a read and see if I can learn anything.
Thanks
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Re: Scatt decode....Elliptical factor
If you are correctly pulling the trigger rearwards then the trigger weight should not affect acceleration.400driver wrote:There were a few flyers into the 8, the trigger is 1360 Grams and acceleration is ok given the trigger weight.
Re: Scatt decode....Elliptical factor
Fair point.
Re: Scatt decode....Elliptical factor
"Acceleration"? What do you mean? Is this the increase in pistol trace speed just before the shot release because of improper use of the trigger?
Re: Scatt decode....Elliptical factor
If I have a good trigger press, the blue trace stays small and doesn't move very far from the end of the yellow.
When I use a different 9mm pistol which has a trigger that is less crisp, I sometimes see and increase in the trace speed.
I see the overall trace length at about 300mm for my 9mm and 120 ish for my LP10.
When I talked of acceleration it was in reference to a bad trigger technique for that shot.
It seems that having read all the links above, eleyptical factor is not very much discussed.
Thanks for the inputs.
When I use a different 9mm pistol which has a trigger that is less crisp, I sometimes see and increase in the trace speed.
I see the overall trace length at about 300mm for my 9mm and 120 ish for my LP10.
When I talked of acceleration it was in reference to a bad trigger technique for that shot.
It seems that having read all the links above, eleyptical factor is not very much discussed.
Thanks for the inputs.