One more time on the 888 trigger mod. Tom Johnson’s Sporter Tips advises to round the shoulder on the sear and hammer. Next Tom recommends cutting the trigger and sear spring. Pilkguns recommends cutting the bolt spring mount shorter, cutting the trigger, and adding a longer screw. Which method is best? Why?
This gun must comply to sporter rules. That being said Is it legal to use a handmade stock? I have seen the over mold and I know you can buy the 887 stock, but it would be a neat project to do.
Thank you I know the trigger mod has been beat to death.
one more 888 trigger question
Moderators: pilkguns, Marcus, m1963
Not sure Tom Johnson's mods meet the rules:
4.2.5 Internal Modifi cations
The functioning of internal parts may be smoothened or improved, but only factory manufactured
parts designed for that specifi c model rifl e and functioning as they were originally
intended to function may be used. It is permitted to polish, fi le or otherwise reduce the
dimensions of the hammer rim or sear or to install a setscrew in the trigger guard of Daisy
M853/753/953 air rifl es as a means of reducing or controlling sear engagement. It is permitted
to shorten the factory trigger spring as a means of adjusting trigger tension provided the
trigger complies with Rule 4.2.3. Note: The authorization to install a setscrew in Daisy air
rifl e does not permit the installation of a setscrew to limit trigger movement or over-travel after
the trigger is released
4.2.5 Internal Modifi cations
The functioning of internal parts may be smoothened or improved, but only factory manufactured
parts designed for that specifi c model rifl e and functioning as they were originally
intended to function may be used. It is permitted to polish, fi le or otherwise reduce the
dimensions of the hammer rim or sear or to install a setscrew in the trigger guard of Daisy
M853/753/953 air rifl es as a means of reducing or controlling sear engagement. It is permitted
to shorten the factory trigger spring as a means of adjusting trigger tension provided the
trigger complies with Rule 4.2.3. Note: The authorization to install a setscrew in Daisy air
rifl e does not permit the installation of a setscrew to limit trigger movement or over-travel after
the trigger is released
Any modification in Tom Johnson's... is legal.Pat McCoy wrote:Not sure Tom Johnson's mods meet the rules:
Also, on 6/21/2007 Gary Anderson stated:
RE: the StockIt is permitted to modify the trigger springs on Daisy sporter air rifles by "cutting off a few turns" as is suggested in Tom Johnson's Sporter Tips as long as the trigger still lifts the 1.5 lb. trigger weight. This practice has been going on for many years and is regarded as a legal means of improving the functioning of internal parts. Given the current sensitivity to permitted and prohibited modifications, we may need to add a line in the rules specifically authorizing this.
Gary
Gary Anderson
dcm@odcmp.com
I suppose you could make your own stock, but if it differed too much in appearance or dimensions you could be letting your shooter in for a bit of a hassle on the line. In regards to Rule 4.2.4 , you would have to pay attention to 1) the symmetrical shaping so it can be used by a RH or LH shooter ... 2) make sure you do not go outside the dimensions of a factory stock for that rifle .... except for the cheekpiece .... 3) no anatomical forming (which would make it asymmetrical anyway).... and 4) you would need to use the factory buttplate
Before the 887 stocks came out and we made the overmold, we had specifically asked the council if our project would be legal. Since our mold was made off of a 753 stock, all of our dimensions were within the 753 dimensions, and we used the original buttplate, it was approved. We only made 5 overmolds before Daisy came out with the 887 stock. All the overmold did was to bring the 888 grip & cheekpiece out to the dimensions of the 753. (Exactly what the 887 stock now does)
If you do proceed with the project, make sure you have the council (CMP) approve the stock before your shooter goes in a match .... especially a National one. The council tries to keep the sporter game as simple/fixed as possible, and let the "tweaks" happen in the precision game.
Thank you for the input. I will buy a stock to save hassle at inspection. I have never made a stock and thought it might be fun. Is there a “bedding” procedure to mounting the action\barrel in the new stock?
I am not an experienced shooter, but the 888 feels muzzle heavy. In the book Shooting for Success, the author states the rifle should balance just in front of the trigger guard. Is there a practical sporter legal way to improve the balance?
Back to the trigger question. Which method of trigger improvment is best.
I am not an experienced shooter, but the 888 feels muzzle heavy. In the book Shooting for Success, the author states the rifle should balance just in front of the trigger guard. Is there a practical sporter legal way to improve the balance?
Back to the trigger question. Which method of trigger improvment is best.
Perry ....
The 887 stock will be a bit heavier than the 888 and will move the CG slightly behind the trigger guard. For a newer shooter this is OK while they get the "feel" of the positions.
Most will eventually put another muzzle weight out on the BBL to shift the CG forward. Doing this will bring the rifle right up to the 7.5 lb limit. You might even have to drill out some of the stock wood under the buttplate to remove an oz or so (very rare). Or if you know a machinist you can have them mill off the extra weight from the extra muzzle weight
If you do get a 887 stock, I'd also suggest you also upgrade the sights ( front & rear) if you have not already. New stock + sights used to be about a $125 cost.
The 887 stock will be a bit heavier than the 888 and will move the CG slightly behind the trigger guard. For a newer shooter this is OK while they get the "feel" of the positions.
Most will eventually put another muzzle weight out on the BBL to shift the CG forward. Doing this will bring the rifle right up to the 7.5 lb limit. You might even have to drill out some of the stock wood under the buttplate to remove an oz or so (very rare). Or if you know a machinist you can have them mill off the extra weight from the extra muzzle weight
If you do get a 887 stock, I'd also suggest you also upgrade the sights ( front & rear) if you have not already. New stock + sights used to be about a $125 cost.