Natural Progression

Muffo · Post by **Muffo** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:31 pm

the probationary period isnt a club thing its what you have to do in order to have a pistol license. for that 6 months you cant own or transport a pistol

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:08 am

Well that's fine, it's part of licencing here too as you have to belong to a club to get your Authorization To Transport (ATT). It still doesn't change my previous post as this is not really a condusive time to train, especially if given different firearms all the time. You can still work on basics like stance a things but I still suggest the real training will come once you are licensed and have your own handguns.

bryan · Post by **bryan** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:45 am

sorry david, didnt realise you were so new when your looking at expected improvement time frames.
brings back memories of sitting around the range hoping to get a go if someone felt like a break. dont think to many clubs have spare ap in the safe, usually some old .22.
but regardless, depends on what your expectations are, if high, learn the basics in ap.
If not, it is not so important
I have seen new members purchase pistols in others names to cut down the 6 months probation period, I was not aware this was possible, so didnt care to much what I got to shoot, just happy when it happened.

probably start looking at strength training as well in readiness.

I applied for my pistol licence late in 2006, took forever to get through the probation.
also think you can apply for a permit before the 6 months is up, so it is ready when it is, cuts another month or so off. might be wrong?

have a a&b rifle licence for over 30 yrs, and suddenly you are a risk and have to start again for a pistol, go figure!

Muffo · Post by **Muffo** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:29 pm

funny about that isnt it especially when they reject you because the LOST your finger prints. the best thing you could do is get a 1 kilo weight and practise holding it steady it helped me heaps

higginsdj · Post by **higginsdj** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:35 pm

Yep - recently brought (paid) for my pistols and they are in the possession of the appropriate people. I get to use them on weekends when these people attend.

I can be a terribly competitive person (not in a bad way - I just love to compete and improve - even if competing against myself) and I'd love to train everyday but that will have to wait. I have already started weight training for muscle endurance. I know I am classified as old but my aims are the Commonweath Games and Olympics.

Muffo · Post by **Muffo** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:48 pm

well very careful not to learn bad habbits. its better not to shoot than to shoot the wrong way. my father learnt a bad rapid fire technique when he was starting. he eventually fixed it but many years later while leading standart at the nationals he subconciously went back the that technique on the last target in 10 seconds and finished with a 10,10,9,7,3 each time he hit the trigger harder and harder dragging the shots down. 10 shot off on one target droped him into 4th behind skaanaker. do you know if you want to shoot free and air or rapid

bryan · Post by **bryan** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:00 pm

old habits die hard, esp under a bit of pressure.

age is not so important shooting at elite level, just harder to find the time.

comm games has centre fire?

are you at canberra pistol club, they still got speith electronic targets? that would be a help.

muffo, who is your dad?
sounds like you are very lucky.
I got into shooting thanks to my parents, my dad was very good, even shot at a world championships, but family pressure makes it difficult to reach your full potential, all so obvious now.

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:16 am

bryan wrote:comm games has centre fire?

As things stand at the moment, Delhi 2010 will be the last Commonwealth Games with Centre Fire and Standard Pistol, although they will continue to be shot at the Commonwealth Shooting Federation Championships (Standard Pistol being an Open event there).

The same thing applies to the Pairs matches in ALL events; 2010 will be the last CGs but they will continue in the CSFCs.

After Delhi 2010 the CGs will only have the Olympic shooting events, plus Fullbore Rifle.

higginsdj · Post by **higginsdj** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:40 pm

I haven't shot rapid fire or 50m yet but AP is my main interest.

Muffo · Post by **Muffo** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:43 pm

It is extreamly rare for some1 to excell at both disiplins to shoot at that level it is normally better to pick on or the other. coming from where you have precision is probably your best bet, If you can learn air well free comes easy. now i just gotta learn air well. My father is Jon McMillan. I dought you will know him as he mainly shot at a state level in vic, being in the state teams for about 15 years or so often being in all 5. He only made the one national team. He could have went a lot further i think if he didnt live on a farm in a drought because he didnt have the time or money to do any training. after his first couple of years in the teams he was only able to spare the time to do 1 months training before nationals each year. This aside from everything he makes a brilliant coach. It is also very handy having a father that is a grip maker which isnt that commen here any more

higginsdj · Post by **higginsdj** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:15 pm

Well I shot 528 with my Steyr today. First time I have shot an AP round (and my 9th outing with a pistol). Pretty consistant, a 93 on the first series of 10 then 86's and 87's for the rest. Next time I won't pump up both cylinders just before starting to shoot :)

Oooow I can't wait till I can start training fulltime.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:51 pm

You can. you cant shoot full time but you can train many different thing. using a weight, spend some time visualising a perfect shot. make up something that puts your hand in the same position as the pistol practise putting constant pressure on with ur finger. By the way thats a pritty good acheivment.

higginsdj · Post by **higginsdj** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:03 am

Training is waht I want to do - I posted a separate topic on the subject. I've seen lots of bits and pieces but I'd like to see an actual programme of activities rather than just winging it....

Muffo · Post by **Muffo** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:14 am

I wouldnt mind this but actually getting a specific list is quiet hard people like to be vague. even when i asked for a specific list of training games, i didnt really get anything. Also it is a lot harder without a gun but you can still train the most basic fundamental of holding it still. there are very few people in the wrld that can shoot high scores that cant hold it still and it takes hours and ours of doing so to hold it still. no one will hold it dead still but realitivly still. when you think about it shooting is really easy. hold it in your area of aim and squeez the trigger. Its dead easy. getting your mind to do the right thing is the hard part. Also you will find shooting isnt training when you get to a higher level. you have to break it down into its most basic fundamentals

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:52 am

People aren't really being vague on purpose. To properly train for shooting you need to work on the skills that YOU need to work on. There is n magically do 1,2,3 four times per week and then you will shoot 580.

Personally anyone who would give such advice really isn't worth listening to.

If you do a search you will find all sorts of things to do in training including
tranint games there have been lots of threads in the past regarding these topics.

higginsdj · Post by **higginsdj** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:18 pm

Actually I was leaning more toward the physical conditioning side of training. I read various things - overdoing it is bad, underdoing it is not going to achieve anything - so what is just right?

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:47 pm

A lot of the physical conditioning depends on what condition you are all ready in. For the most part I coach juniors, some don't have the basic strength to raise the pistol in a controlled manner or hold it. So for them we start with some basic strength training for arms, chest and back. For everyone core strength is important. Then there is aerobic fitness, as well as stretching.

We always do some evaluation of the athlete to see where they are, what they need and that way we can measure progress.

For shooting you're looking for muscular endurance, so basically low weight high reps. Personally I like the Thera-bands (rubber bands).

Physical training should also be dependent where you are in your training cycle. Early prep phase = more physical training, Comp Phase = less physical training.

higginsdj · Post by **higginsdj** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:15 pm

Well I'm fit enough for the first 10 shots to be good but then I start to "feel it"... I can hold within the black for the remainder of the match but need to take a couple of minutes between each series of 10. The only "strain" appears to be on the muscle that runs from the thumb side of my wrist to the right side of my forarm (elbow pointed down).

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:39 pm

Sounds like you might be gripping too tight. That is something to watch out for can lead to tendonitist (tennis elbow). This is another thing we find with juniors due to lack of strength they grip too tight to compensate.

The other things to look at are chest and back development, lack of muscle endurance in either the chest or back can lead to wondering POA during a match as fatigue sets in.

From all the post on here I'm sure there are lots of coaching resources in Australia, I suggest you seek one out sooner than later. You'd be surprised what a few hours of coaching (good coaching) can do. It's not a waste of time as I know as a coach I'd rather teach someone who knows nothing than try to get them to unlearn all the bad stuff they picked up.

Muffo · Post by **Muffo** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:49 pm

Richard H wrote:People aren't really being vague on purpose. To properly train for shooting you need to work on the skills that YOU need to work on. There is n magically do 1,2,3 four times per week and then you will shoot 580.

Personally anyone who would give such advice really isn't worth listening to.

If you do a search you will find all sorts of things to do in training including
tranint games there have been lots of threads in the past regarding these topics.

thats not quiet what i am saying, No matter wat the advise you still have to tailor it to your needs. But if you are told, say, different exercises to do you can take that and do more or lees for the level you are at. you can shoot 560s with only a small amount of work a couple of times a week but both the amount and the things you will need to do change as you get better. I did lots of searches looking for training games. my father has provided me with plenty i can do on my own but i want to include a couple of shooters from the club that around my level