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Christmas in October for meeeeeeee! Now it's a matter of zeroing the bloody thing.

PirateJohn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:54 pm Christmas in October for meeeeeeee! Now it's a matter of zeroing the bloody thing.

I think you're going to love that thing. The rear sight adjustment is really easy. And even though I have a Rink coming - the grip is actually pretty good.

My Lyman weight gauge just arrived - so I'll be adjusting to ISSF weight at the range this morning. My guess is that out of the box it's somewhere around 250-350 gr. Definitely on the "hair trigger" side. A 500gr weight easily fired mine multiple times. Aside that, I found the 4 barrel weights work best for me right behind the muzzle.

Hey, good luck !

Christmas in October seems totally fair and totally reasonable... Santa needs to sort his act out! Waiting til the end of the year is just silly.

All the best with your new gun. Very exciting.

See this thread for some data on the "out of the box" K12 trigger weight. I've had mine going on 7 weeks now.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=64657

Any updates on the K12 ?

Inquiring minds..............!

Agt. Smith wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:19 am Any updates on the K12 ?

Inquiring minds..............!

Last night was my first club session since it arrived. One of the coaches helped me get it set up and showed me all the different things I can tinker with. One thing I really wanted to do was move the weights as close to the tip as possible because I get a fair amount of horizontal shake that I wanted to dampen. We also made sure that the trigger weight was sufficient.

Then I spent the rest of the time setting the sights.

Cool. Sounds familiar.

I put all 4 weights up front, and also increased the trigger weight. I have long fingers, so I needed to move the trigger also.

The sights were off as well, easy to dial in. I suspect every time you move the muzzle break (containing the front sight) you must readjust the sights.

Good luck, and keep us posted.

I'm also getting shooting glasses. I saw an eye doctor Tuesday to get a prescription. I've been shooting with my contact lenses in, and the problem is that they're toric, so they keep rolling out of position on me. I'm hoping with actual shooting glasses I'll be able to get a crisper view of the sight and be able to do better at getting the sights lined up.

PirateJohn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:06 am I'm also getting shooting glasses. I saw an eye doctor Tuesday to get a prescription. I've been shooting with my contact lenses in, and the problem is that they're toric, so they keep rolling out of position on me. I'm hoping with actual shooting glasses I'll be able to get a crisper view of the sight and be able to do better at getting the sights lined up.

That is correct man - but that probably is accurate - when you cross 95/100 consistently.
I.. am slowly coming to a realisation.

10 M Air Pistol is about Trigger & Grip.
Rest are details.

PirateJohn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:06 am I'm also getting shooting glasses. I saw an eye doctor Tuesday to get a prescription. I've been shooting with my contact lenses in, and the problem is that they're toric, so they keep rolling out of position on me. I'm hoping with actual shooting glasses I'll be able to get a crisper view of the sight and be able to do better at getting the sights lined up.

I forgot to mention the rear sight. Out of the box it was WAY too narrow for my taste - just a tiny sliver of light on each side of the front sight.

Opened it up (to max I think) and, not only does each gap approach the width/2 of the front sight but, it's much easier to focus on the front.

Yeah, the rear sight was very narrow on mine, too. I didn't widen it very much, though.

PirateJohn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:08 pm Yeah, the rear sight was very narrow on mine, too. I didn't widen it very much, though.

Maybe that's why you're not winning.

Rover wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:23 pm Maybe that's why you're not winning.

Pretty sure the reason I'm not winning is because I have been shooting for less than three months, but that's just a guess. But in my defense, scoring 527 out of 600 ain't bad for someone who has been shooting less than three months.

PirateJohn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:38 pm

Rover wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:23 pm Maybe that's why you're not winning.

Pretty sure the reason I'm not winning is because I have been shooting for less than three months, but that's just a guess. But in my defense, scoring 527 out of 600 ain't bad for someone who has been shooting less than three months.

Rover has an uncanny knack of telling things that people tend to miss as trollism.
Here. I should trademark that word.

I think what Rover is trying to say is something entirely different.
That is, with larger gaps - the small errors will be magnified to a much larger errors.
Eye can detect light / lack of light.
Eye can not detect tiny light from a tinier light.
The little bit tilt in left and right.. and you would sway into the horizontal direction like crazy.

This document may be helpful - the "Sighting Technique" section begins on page 17.

I suspect there is more than one way to skin a cat, but I've found that "... the width of the space between the front and rear sights is most noticeable if it represents half the width of the front sight...." to be true, for myself as a new comer anyway.

https://www.issf-sports.org/getfile.asp ... ooting.pdf

Agt. Smith wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:49 am This document may be helpful - the "Sighting Technique" section begins on page 17.

I suspect there is more than one way to skin a cat, but I've found that "... the width of the space between the front and rear sights is most noticeable if it represents half the width of the front sight...." to be true, for myself as a new comer anyway.

https://www.issf-sports.org/getfile.asp ... ooting.pdf

I think that's about where mine is set right now. It seems to be working for me so far -- I have a lot of issues with horizontal shaking of my pistol, so I've been working on stabilizing my horizontal shake by strengthening my wrists and moving the weights on the new Pardini as far forward as they go.

Horizontal shake can be a sign that you are gripping too hard. A precision air pistol is best shot with a very light grip. That reduces tremor and fatigue, and also allows for better trigger control.

We got a grip force meter several years ago for the team I help coach: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08X4JQDJZ?th=1

We had all of our better shooters measure their grip force to establish a good baseline for comparison. The problem we had is that the meter won't read below 2 pounds, and that's about where most of them were gripping. Certainly no more than 3 lbs.

We had one student who couldn't keep his shots anywhere close to the black. He was gripping at around 9 pounds. We convinced him to chill out, and his groups were immediately cut in half.

Gwhite wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:23 pm .........We had one student who couldn't keep his shots anywhere close to the black. He was gripping at around 9 pounds. We convinced him to chill out, and his groups were immediately cut in half.

This is exactly what I was doing. Amazing the difference. I was told to basically let the pistol "rest" in your hand grip, with the middle finger (close to the CG presumably) supporting most of the weight. I also experienced mush less fatigue after a few targets.

Agt. Smith wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:49 am This document may be helpful - the "Sighting Technique" section begins on page 17.

I suspect there is more than one way to skin a cat, but I've found that "... the width of the space between the front and rear sights is most noticeable if it represents half the width of the front sight...." to be true, for myself as a new comer anyway.

https://www.issf-sports.org/getfile.asp ... ooting.pdf

Thank you for sharing this document!