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psychiatric drugs and shooting

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Hi,
I was wondering whether certain psychiatric medication (of the counter or specially designed) could help one calm down, focus more or even wobble less?
And if yes, would be considered doping? Is there a doping test in shooting?
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I think that if you'd compete in any ISSF organized match, or any match organized under ISSF regulations, you'd be subject to WADA/USADA regulations. other matches. I don't know.

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I suspect the problem would be with any "performance enhancing" substance.

Even as benign as Cannabus can be - it's still a no-no.
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Agt. Smith wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:28 am I suspect the problem would be with any "performance enhancing" substance.

Even as benign as Cannabus can be - it's still a no-no.
or put differently,
is there a "performance enhancing" substance for shooting?
are athletes tested?
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"is there a "performance enhancing" substance for shooting?"

Got a heart problem? You're probably on verboten drugs.

"are athletes tested?"

I remember a high-level shooter friend telling me that he was annoyed by drug testers dropping by.
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Rover wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:04 pm "is there a "performance enhancing" substance for shooting?"

Got a heart problem? You're probably on verboten drugs.

"are athletes tested?"

I remember a high-level shooter friend telling me that he was annoyed by drug testers dropping by.
fair enough. thanks Rover
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Of note, some blood pressure drugs are prohibited only in competition:

Beta-blockers are prohibited In-Competition only, in the following sports, and also prohibited
Out-of-Competition where indicated (*).
• Archery (WA)*
• Automobile (FIA)
• Billiards (all disciplines) (WCBS)
• Darts (WDF)
• Golf (IGF)
Shooting (ISSF, IPC)*
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Does Laphroaig count as one?
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UnGe wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:58 pm Does Laphroaig count as one?
I can't comment about ISSF. In Bullseye shooting, it's considered a "group tightener," although there are less expensive ways to go.
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Forget about drugs and their health side effects. Improve your training. A good way to improve groups is to progressively increase training and holds.

ISSF shooting is subject to anti doping rules and national laws at all levels of competition.
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Ramon OP wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:11 am Forget about drugs and their health side effects. Improve your training. A good way to improve groups is to progressively increase training and holds.

ISSF shooting is subject to anti doping rules and national laws at all levels of competition.
thanks for the advice.
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emre-nur wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:40 am I was wondering whether certain psychiatric medication could help one calm down . . .
Sure! A straight-jacket, thorazine, and a lengthy involuntary commitment to a mental institution sounds like the "Prescription" you need!
Or you can move into William's basement, which is basically a commune for mental defectives like yourself.

Let's recite questions from Form 4473, Firearms Transaction Record:
#21(e): Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to . . . any controlled substance?
#21(f): Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?

If you answered "YES" to any of the above, you're probably a Psycho & should donate your firearms to Hillary before you humiliate yourself.

Hope this helps!

Postscript: Say "Hi" to "Mom" for me!
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emre-nur wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:40 am Hi,
I was wondering whether certain psychiatric medication (of the counter or specially designed) could help one calm down, focus more or even wobble less?
And if yes, would be considered doping? Is there a doping test in shooting?
As someone who has battled mental illness my entire adult life and who has also worked as a forensic toxicologist, do not mess around with psychiatric medication unless it is prescribed by a doctor for a specific condition. Psychiatric medicines can have terrible effects on people who don't have the conditions they're used to treat.
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PirateJohn wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:26 pm As someone who has battled mental illness my entire adult life and who has also worked as a forensic toxicologist, do not mess around with psychiatric medication unless it is prescribed by a doctor for a specific condition. Psychiatric medicines can have terrible effects on people who don't have the conditions they're used to treat.
Nah . . . just mix a bunch of your friends "Meds" in a bowl & eat 'em like M&Ms . . . then see what happens next . . . .
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atomicgale wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:32 pm
PirateJohn wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:26 pm As someone who has battled mental illness my entire adult life and who has also worked as a forensic toxicologist, do not mess around with psychiatric medication unless it is prescribed by a doctor for a specific condition. Psychiatric medicines can have terrible effects on people who don't have the conditions they're used to treat.
Nah . . . just mix a bunch of your friends "Meds" in a bowl & eat 'em like M&Ms . . . then see what happens next . . . .
Yeah, a lot of the postmortem samples I worked on in the lab were people who did exactly that...
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PirateJohn wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:15 pm . . . a lot of the postmortem samples I worked on in the lab were people who did exactly that...
Postmortem is a defined prerequisite for the Darwin Awards.
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If one can't compete without cheating, one should not attempt to compete.
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toddinjax wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:37 am If one can't compete without cheating, one should not attempt to compete.
What if we had doping-permitted olympics? Then it would not be cheating since all participants accept in advance.
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