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Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 6:57 am
by robjob
I feel canting is more of a "problem" than a "solution". I try not to do it as much as possible. I wouldn't recommend someone intentionally try to cant... just one more thing to think about that you don't need to think about. Yes, some very good shooters do it, but if I had to bet, they are not doing it intentionally, and don't really notice it if you.mentioned it to them.
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 4:19 pm
by Rover
A cant is the most relaxed position for a pistol shooter. The problem is, if you need a sight change it takes two knobs. Adjust your grips!
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 3:48 pm
by northpaw
To cant or not to cant?
Decant or not decant your pistol?
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/710583647425553074/
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 2:49 pm
by spektr
What I don't understand here is this...... We always talk about your NPA. My NPA is naturally canted. No big deal. I thrink it's more important to shoot from your NPA than to force something to fit and add a variable.
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 3:41 pm
by william
spektr wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:49 pm
What I don't understand here is this...... We always talk about your NPA. My NPA is naturally canted. No big deal. I thrink it's more important to shoot from your NPA than to dorce something ro fir and add a variable.
I could be wrong, but I think this expresses a misunderstanding of NPA.
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 4:26 pm
by atomicgale
spektr wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:49 pm
. . . than to dorce something ro fir . . . .
WTF?
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 4:38 pm
by william
atomicgale wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:26 pm
spektr wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:49 pm
. . . than to dorce something ro fir . . . .
WTF?
Serbo-Croatian, perhaps?
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 4:39 pm
by Xman
Canting your pistol kind of messes up recoil recovery especially in TF and RF. You have to be real disciplined if you cant and a ton of drills to get that cant and recovery ingrained. If that is even possible. Calling your shots gets screwed up too. Your fighting gravity, NPA and more.
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 9:02 pm
by robjob
william wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:38 pm
atomicgale wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:26 pm
spektr wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:49 pm
. . . than to dorce something ro fir . . . .
WTF?
"Than to force something to fit", got a buddy that text like this so I'm good at translation...
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 9:52 pm
by Rover
I thought NPA (for pistol shooters) had been discussed here and dismissed as being non-existent.
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 10:33 pm
by spektr
Npa for pistol shooters exists. If it didnt, foot placement wouldn't matter. When you do the closed eyes raise to the target, you immediately find out where your feet go. After you move your feet enough and you get to where you raise tbe gun to the center of the target consistently, you have placed your NPA coincident to the target center. If after that, you find that your hold includes a cant, you can mess with the sight picture by adding material to the front sight and filing it along with the rear slot.....
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 9:21 am
by Isabel1130
We all see the sights differently. For some people what looks like a cant might just be an astigmatism. I don’t think a slight cant is something to worry about. A major one, yes, probably because it might lead to an awkward uncomfortable head position.
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 4:01 pm
by Mike M.
If you extend your arm as far as it will go, you will find that most people have a bit of a cant in the hand position. 20 to 30 degrees. The problem is that the guns aren't set up to accomodate this in the sights, and it's a lot easier to turn the hand than to do the sight mods. I dare say that with a dot, or even better a low power scope with a crosshair to be a horizon reference, it might be possible to cant the hand consistently. IIRC, the Morini CM80 free pistol was set up with sights that could be adjusted in this way.
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 4:15 pm
by northpaw
Isabel1130 wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 9:21 am
I don’t think a slight cant is something to worry about. A major one, yes, probably because it might lead to an
awkward uncomfortable head position.
Trying to figure that out: I admit, I do cant my gun to get the most relaxed wrist angle. But I do not tilt my head! Am I doing wrong? I believe tilting ones head would interfere with body balance, and induce sway?
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 4:23 pm
by Isabel1130
northpaw wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 4:15 pm
Isabel1130 wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 9:21 am
I don’t think a slight cant is something to worry about. A major one, yes, probably because it might lead to an
awkward uncomfortable head position.
Trying to figure that out: I admit, I do cant my gun to get the most relaxed wrist angle. But I do not tilt my head! Am I doing wrong? I believe tilting ones head would interfere with body balance, and induce sway?
As I see it, you need to maintain with irons, a four point line of sight. Eye-rear sight-front sight- Target. I can imagine how a severe Cant might induce a shooter to move their head to maintain this alignment. Just as they have to when they shoot cross dominant.
Much of this can be fixed with a change to your grip.
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 5:55 pm
by northpaw
Mike M. wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 4:01 pm
... most people have a bit of a cant in the hand position. 20 to 30 degrees.
30 degrees ... that´s quite a lot.
Isabel1130 wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 4:23 pm
I can imagine how a severe cant might induce a shooter to move their head to maintain this alignment.
Maybe.
Having spent much time at ranges through the years, seen different firing postures, some even slightly awkward appearing, but, I have never, to this day, seen anybody at any firing point tilting their head 20 to 30 degrees, not even close.
But, well, I aint seen them all.
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 6:06 pm
by william
I'm honored Northpaw is so fond of my prose that he repeats a phrase from it at every opportunity, regardless how out of original context. But, frankly, it is a bit creepy.
Re: Bullseye and competition pistol shooters: Canting your pistol?
Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 2:05 am
by northpaw
william wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 6:06 pm
.. a bit creepy.
Creepy..my interpretation says condescending/ridiculating.
Apologize if my interpretation is misleading.