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I am curious to see if I should go to the National Air Gun thing this July. But I am utterly confused about how it works. The schedule only states "pistol" every day for like an entire week without saying anything. I looked at past results and it seemed there were never more than a hundred participants, so I don't understand why you need a week for the air gun competition. Another thing I am confused is the idea of "re-entry". What does that mean? There is also other strange stuff such as 20 shots, etc, which I have no idea what it means.
The only way I know how to compete is the standard ISSF method which is 60 shots with the two different time limits (electronic, or paper).

Can anyone who has been there tell me how the competition work? Also do I need to bring my Hillman pump?

I probably will finish dead last anyway, but it will be a good excuse to visit friends. I most likely will take a train so that I can drop off on different station and visit friends...

PS. What is the difference between the CMP competition in Camp Perry and the USAS competition down in Georgia?

If I don't go this year, at least I want information and be ready for next year. At this point I don't even understand how many days one should stay in Camp Perry.

IIRC, air pistol at Camp Perry is available every day at the CMP airgun range. It's not part of the NRA National Matches; it is unsquadded, and you enter and fire when it's convenient for you.

The Camp Perry stuff is not "real" matches, but more like local fun shoots or club competitions. You can keep trying until you think you got it right. If you're considering attending for any other reason than having a pleasant time, forget it. It's just an opportunity for the National Match shooters to relax with, guess what, more shooting.

I remember a few years back when Zurek decided to play and kept winning it over and over.

Of course, you COULD compete in the National Matches and bring your AP along.

Does NRA has national matches for air gun, or this is a USA Shooting matter?
Ohio sounds a whole lot more fun to visit than Georgia (sorry I lived in the south for five years, and I think that was more than enough for me).

They do have National Indoor Championship with the Air as one of the disciplines. Since it is divided into sections, it is also called NRA Sectional. Held in winter and early spring. Results from this year are here

http://competitions.nra.org/championshi ... sults.aspx

There is a one time 60 shot Air pistol Championship (CMP) that you schedule when you will shoot it. There are 20 and 30 shot re-entry matches (shoot as many times as you want) being held continuously as well. The 30 shot match will also enter you into a “Top Center Shot” match where you can win money - payback is based on # of entries, $2.00 from each entry fee is added to the purse.

http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/20 ... Events.pdf

- Dave

Here are the results from 2014
https://ct.thecmp.org/app/v1/index.php? ... atch=11753

The 60 shot match is run as a normal air gun match, All shooters are squadded side by side at one end of the range and start at the same time, normal international commands, etc.

The 20 shot "Daily Re-Entry" can be shot as many times as you want and is run with infiltration squadding.

If you are in the area, absolutely shoot it. The range is terrific and it is one of the few places you can shoot on electronic targets.

SteveT wrote:The 60 shot match is run as a normal air gun match, All shooters are squadded side by side at one end of the range and start at the same time, normal international commands, etc.

The 20 shot "Daily Re-Entry" can be shot as many times as you want and is run with infiltration squadding.

If you are in the area, absolutely shoot it. The range is terrific and it is one of the few places you can shoot on electronic targets.

They have changed the 60 shot match as follows from the 2015 program:
"60 Shot Air Pistol Championship, 5 - 12 July
$10 per entry fee—one entry per competitor
The 60-Shot Air Pistol Championship is a one-time event that may be fired any time the range is open two hours prior to closing on any
day between 5 July and 12 July. With so many competitors having different schedules, this will give all competitors who wish to fire this
match an opportunity to select a time that fits their National Matches schedule. Shooters will have 1 hour, 45 minutes, to shoot unlimited
sighters and 60 record shots on the ISSF air pistol target."

- Dave

dronning wrote: They have changed the 60 shot match as follows from the 2015 program:
"60 Shot Air Pistol Championship, 5 - 12 July
$10 per entry fee—one entry per competitor
The 60-Shot Air Pistol Championship is a one-time event that may be fired any time the range is open two hours prior to closing on any
day between 5 July and 12 July. With so many competitors having different schedules, this will give all competitors who wish to fire this
match an opportunity to select a time that fits their National Matches schedule. Shooters will have 1 hour, 45 minutes, to shoot unlimited
sighters and 60 record shots on the ISSF air pistol target."

- Dave

Does this mean you only get to shoot *once* for the 60 shot match during the entire July period?
Also what are the 30 shot re-entry mean? Does that mean there are matches that are 30 shots, and you keep on shooting matches after matches until you want to stop?
Does that mean essentially these are two different events?

PS. Does this mean here in the US there are three national championships. One is the CMP in Camp Perry, one is the NRA but is sectional, and then one is USAS in Fort Benning? They have nothing to do with each other?

Camp Perry is the NRA Outdoor Championship, this is conventional pistol (.22+CF+.45) + service pistol matches. Sectionals are the NRA Indoor Championship: .22 conventional only + air + free + standard. This is NRA's effort to engage international shooters (irrelevant for selection to any competitions outside the country). USAS at Fort Benning is the National Championship in all international disciplines (no conventional or service matches there).

Camp Perry Clarification:
Both the NRA & CMP hold matches during Camp Perry, You have to register with the CMP AND the NRA for these events.

CMP
The Service Pistol (National Trophy Individual Pistol Match/EIC, Presidents 100, SAFS & new this year the .22 Rimfire EIC Pistol Match) matches at Camp Perry are under the CMP rules and are CMP events.

NRA
National Pistol Championship (.22, CF, 45), Distinguished Revolver Match, Harry Reeves Memorial Revolver Match.

Air Pistol - run by CMP
Yes, you can only shoot the 60 Air Pistol Championship 1 time from July 5 – 12 during pistol week.

You can shoot the 30 shot re-entry event as many times as you like, You pay $5.00 entry each time you shoot it, it's purpose is to get people to use the range PLUS each time you enter you get entered into the Center Shot match that will give out cash prizes for the "best 10.9" (the software goes out several more decimal places 10.999).

- Dave

Oh and by the way the NRA competition committee rebranded the sport from "Conventional Pistol" to "Precision Pistol" earlier this year. Most of us still just call it "Bullseye"!

Who runs camp perry? Does that mean CMP and NRA has nothing to do with each other?
Thanks everyone so far, things begin to make sense.

conradin wrote:Who runs camp perry?

The Ohio National Guard; Camp Perry, the remaining forty-six (46) weeks of the year is an Ohio National Guard training facility.

conradin wrote:Does that mean CMP and NRA has nothing to do with each other?

No; 36 U.S. Code § 40725 - National Matches and small-arms firing school is the legal basis for having the matches. When the DOD no longer had the resources to run the matches, NRA took on that responsibility. CMP is the successor to the Director of Civilian Marksmanship, which was a U.S. Army function until the mid-1990's.

conradin wrote:Does that mean CMP and NRA has nothing to do with each other?

The two organizations have some complimentary and some competing missions, goals, and programs.

Thank you for all the answers. I'll check my budget and my friends' in the midwest schedule to see if it makes sense to do it next month.

It doesn't make sense to go there for the hot humid weather just to shoot a little fun Air Pistol.

At least sign up for the .22 matches if you don't have the big guns.

Rover wrote:It doesn't make sense to go there for the hot humid weather just to shoot a little fun Air Pistol.

At least sign up for the .22 matches if you don't have the big guns.

+1

Just an FYI you can't shoot an electronic trigger for any of the 22 matches.

dronning wrote:

Rover wrote:It doesn't make sense to go there for the hot humid weather just to shoot a little fun Air Pistol.

At least sign up for the .22 matches if you don't have the big guns.

+1

Just an FYI you can't shoot an electronic trigger for any of the 22 matches.

Since when? Rule 3.4 says ".22 caliber Pistol or Revolver - Any pistol (single shot or semi-automatic) or revolver using a .22 caliber rim-fire cartridge having an overall length of not more than 1.1 inches and with lead or alloy bullet not greater than .23 inches in diameter and weighing not more than 40 grains; barrel length, including cylinder, not more than 10 inches. Trigger pull not less than 2 pounds. Any sights, including telescopic, are permitted with the exception of those sights that project an image on the target. Open sights may be adjustable but not over 10 inches apart measured from the apex of the rear sight to the apex of the front sight. Any sighting device programmed to activate the firing mechanism is prohibited. All standard safety features of the gun must operate properly."

I don't see any mention of electronic triggers at all. What did I miss?