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crossfires and rule 7.14.9

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:29 pm
by Ltdave
hypothetical event...

two shooters on adjacent points are firing on 10 bull targets...

shooter 1 crossfires on shooter 2's target...

shooter 1 doesnt see his hit, so he fires another round and gets a good hit...

shooter 2 is aiming and looking at a different bull and doesnt see a 2nd hit on whichever bull it hits...

targets are retrieved by match officials and sent for scoring...

the scorer(s) have no idea that a crossfire has occurred so how is shooter 1 scored a miss (and subsequently excessive shot) and shooter 2 scored the appropriate (higher valued hit) on his targets? are officials supposed to just "take the shooters word" that they didnt get a crappy hit and decided to put another round on the bullseye for a higher value shot?

in HIGH POWER its so much easier. the score keeper is right there to see a target come up for a shooter who didnt fire, with a hit (which is ignored) and the crossfiring shooter's score keeper calls for a mark which would come up as a miss...

if shooter 1 doesnt say anything, (i didnt see a rule requiring shooters to announce a crossfire) how is this handled? im starting to hold matches and want to be able to address this. smallbore shooters are more prone to drama (from what ive seen in my short time of being involved) than what HiPo shooters are...

Re: crossfires and rule 7.14.9

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:20 pm
by pfiori
Dave,

Rule 6.7 Backing Targets in the NRA Smallbore Rifle Rule book covers that.

What book is rule 7.14.9 from?

Re: crossfires and rule 7.14.9

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:24 pm
by Ltdave
2014-2016 National Standard Three-Position Air Rifle Rules...

its a blue covered book i bought at Camp Perry the last couple of months...

http://www.thecmp.org/3P.htm if anyone would like to check out the book. cheaper than the $2.00 i paid... lol

Re: crossfires and rule 7.14.9

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:13 am
by Pat McCoy
Rule 7.14
7.14 IRREGULAR SHOTS
An irregular shot is any shot that is not fir
ed in accordance with these Rules. Any athlete who
has an irregular shot must immedi
ately report this to the Range Officer.

and Rule 7.14.12
7.14.12 Disputed Shot
If an athlete disclaims a shot on their targe
t, they must immediately notify the Range
Officer. If the Range Officer can confirm, be
yond a reasonable doubt, that the athlete did
not fire the shot, (
for example, when an adjacent athl
ete reports or has a missing shot
) the
shot will not be credited to the athlete. If the Range Officer cannot confirm that the athlete
did not fire the disputed shot, that shot must be credited to the athlete.

Re: crossfires and rule 7.14.9

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:56 am
by Ltdave
Pat McCoy wrote:Rule 7.14
7.14 IRREGULAR SHOTS
An irregular shot is any shot that is not fir
ed in accordance with these Rules. Any athlete who
has an irregular shot must immedi
ately report this to the Range Officer.

and Rule 7.14.12
7.14.12 Disputed Shot
If an athlete disclaims a shot on their targe
t, they must immediately notify the Range
Officer. If the Range Officer can confirm, be
yond a reasonable doubt, that the athlete did
not fire the shot, (
for example, when an adjacent athl
ete reports or has a missing shot
) the
shot will not be credited to the athlete. If the Range Officer cannot confirm that the athlete
did not fire the disputed shot, that shot must be credited to the athlete.


well arent I an incomplete reader! lol thanks for clearing that up...

id read the irregular shots but i might not have comprehended it very well..