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Hello everyone,
I want to make a general topic for everyone to use whenever one has any questions that need answering as well as any kind of concerns. Our aim is to ease the communication between us all so that we can better help and support fellow shooters.
So please, if you have any sort of questions, please do not hesitate to post on this topic and we will gladly respond back.

Best regards,
Pardini USA LLC

Hello, thank you for providing this opportunity. I have a question regarding the velocity adjustment of the Pardini K10. I have lately been shooting with this pistol adjusted to the highest velocity, the spring adjustment screw being turned all the way in, as it seems this increased speed of the pellet leaving the barrel reduces the effect of trigger errors in my shots. What I wish to know is the actual velocity of this setting. I do not have a chronograph, and it seems a bit of a waste to purchase one strictly to test this pistol... however being in Canada there is some concern about the 500fps limit (152.4metres/second).

So with a 7gr pellet, could you offer an approximate muzzle velocity range for the K10? Mine is marked with the 'F' in a pentagon if that is any help.

Gerard,
The only sure way to tell the exact velocity is to test it yourself as there are many variables that affect the velocity including barrel wear, weight of the pellet, size of the pellet, type of pellet used, temperature of air as it affects the volume of air. The factory recommended velocity, though, is 160 meters per second which is around 524 fps with 4.49 size pellets. The only guaranteed way to tell what velocity it is would be to test it with the chronograph.

This has been discussed before in this forum. Possibly you have insight to share.

It would be great if the GT45 could reliably cycle lead semi wadcutters.

Infrequently in the loads I have tried the extracted case hangs up on the lip/step of the bullet in top round in the magazine. Not all the time but infrequently. Since it is infrequent possibly there is something that will help.

Have tried Zero and Penn LSWC in 185 and 200 grain at a small range of OAL variation to see if that helps. No success.

JHP from zero, nosler and magnus have been feeding great and grouping well. The LSWC do group well too. It would be nice to have a lower cost option to jacketed bulets.

Thanks for monitoring the thread and your response.

Monster,
Unfortunately this is a problem that occurs with this shape of bullet because our pistols are made to work best with the JHP shaped bullet or round nose. Our best test results that we have are with JHP bullets and perform as shown: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... =1&theater

Our goal in creating the pistol was to create an extremely precise pistol, and unfortunately this is not always the cheapest option.

Sort of unrelated, Emil(?), how come NO American (pistols) showed up at the current Changwon World Cup?

Monster:
I shoot the quality brand 160 gr SWC bullet, bullseye 4.4 gr. Win LP and get no failures, accuracy is great. Seating depth is critical, seat so just rim edge sticks out about 1/8.
I just completed my first 2,000 and got a new delivery of 2,000.

conradin wrote:Sort of unrelated, Emil(?), how come NO American (pistols) showed up at the current Changwon World Cup?

Conradin, that is USA Shooting decision. This was the first World Cup for the year, a bit far and expensive. There is no quota slots distributed this year, so most of the teams pick and choose where is best to go. For the pistol team this will be Ft.Benning GA 3-13 May, Munich GER 21-30 May, and Granada ESP in July.

PardiniUSA wrote:The factory recommended velocity, though, is 160 meters per second which is around 524 fps with 4.49 size pellets.

Thank you for this information. I shall try shooting the K10 for a while with the valve spring at slightly lower tension, guessing at the velocity for now as a chronograph does not seem to be justified.

You're welcome, I apologize I couldn't have been more help

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I decided to go ahead and purchase an F-1 Shooting Chrony as I really want to monitor the velocity of my K10. In doing some bench testing - grip off, pistol clamped securely, shooting at 10 metres - I have found that at higher velocities the groups open up considerably. This is clamped, so it doesn't take into account the variables of barrel venting/muzzle flip, absorption/control in the hand. What I've measured is approximately a range of 7mm center-to-center round groups with RWS Hobby pellets at around 440fps, opening up to 9mm center-to-center at 550fps with more of an oblong top-to-bottom pattern. I haven't set up for bench testing more extensively yet (too much work to do - and no, I'm not complaining), but my preference in shooting the pistol normally is for that lower speed. Even adjusting it down to about 415fps (the K10 can adjust as low as about 400fps with Hobby pellets) it holds good groups, though the holes start to get a bit uneven and harder to score.

So while I'm not protesting the factory recommendation of about 524fps, my experience is telling me that around 440fps seems more stable both clamped in a vise and shot normally. The test groups both in a vise and in the hand are smaller, there is less muzzle flip (which becomes quite noticable above 500fps), less noise, and more shots per cylinder full. And considering that my Baikal 46m tests with the same pellets at 440fps and that I shoot exactly the same scores with that pistol, this sort of makes sense. Perhaps there is a subjective component - some shooters do better with higher velocities than others do.

Emil,

I think as a major ISSF euquipment manufacturer like yours should have a separate forum. I would suggest that all 12 major ISSF manufacturer has a forum, and be put into their own sub forums. Those manufacturers that happen to make ISSF equipment but major business is not, usually have their own website and forums, hence no need to have their own sub-forums here; and if needed people can post the questions in another forum.

The 12 are:
Pardini, Morini, Haemmerli, Matchguns, Steyr, Anschuetz, Walther, Bleiker, Kepeler, Benelli, Baikal. Tula also deserve a forum.

SAM makes too small an inpact, to my knowledge very few, if at all, use SAM.

Shotgun makes usually also have mass commercial markets; as do brands that catering to Bullseye, such as Ruger. They do not need a sub forums.

Perhaps you should ask Debbie to see if such an idea will work. Also, if you have any news or new product or new modification or if unfortunately, recall, I think it will be much faster to get the news to the masses.

PardiniUSA wrote:You're welcome, I apologize I couldn't have been more help

(813) 748-3378 - Vladimir
(813) 468-7500 - Alex
(813) 361-3534 - Emil
1(813) 983-9839 - Office
info@PardiniGuns.com
www.PardiniGuns.com
Join the Champions!
Good luck

Perfect example why we need to activate the signature option in this PhPBB.

Here's a new question for this thread. I have a Pardini SP1 RF, electronic trigger. It has recently begun slipping into automatic fire. I'll be shooting a five shot RF string, and two or three shots will cycle with one trigger pull. I have not made any significant adjustments to the trigger from stock, and have not made any adjustments recently. I assume it's a trigger adjustment that needs to be made to correct the problem - if so, any recommendations on which setting it might be? If it's not a trigger setting issue, any thoughts on what it might be?

Thanks,
Ted

I've been using my Pardini K12 for a month or so now, and have a couple of questions.

1) After several weeks it seems mine started showing a bit of muzzle flip, which wasn't evident at all to begin with. I put up with it for another week, then looked around for recoil absorber adjustments in the manual. Nothing, at all. Just one reference to it, a two word description saying that's what one allen screw is for. Nothing on the Pardini site either. So I tried moving this screw and immediately found that it was quite loose. Adjusting it 1/4 turn at a time I soon found that muzzle flip became much worse when this screw, the tiny one on top of the transfer port, is tightened significantly. Loosening it almost to the point where it stopped the pistol from cocking (by jamming on the transfer block cylinder housing) reduced recoil to nothing but brought in an artifact; a strange secondary impact the instant after firing. Watching the recoil absorber weight flying backwards at each setting it was easy to observe changes in air flow to that weight as it came out to various lengths. So I found the ideal setting and then took out this screw, found that it has a thin needle on the end for adjusting air flow through the recoil absorber port, then put it back into place at that setting with a touch of Loctite blue on the threads so it wouldn't come out of adjustment again. I guess this isn't so much a question as a suggestion: it would seem a good idea to supply the K12 with a thread locking compound on this adjustment valve.

2) While playing with this absorber I remembered that the velocity I'd initially tested for the K12 as supplied to me was about 455fps, if memory serves. I had recently re-tested and it was about that speed still, varying no more than about 3fps from shot to shot using JSB SCHaK match pellets. I thought to try a slightly higher velocity, just out of curiousity, so I took off the grip today and loosened the valve spring adjustment set screw. Then I tried using a screwdriver to tighten the hammer spring from the rear. Nope. Wouldn't move more than about 1/20th of a rotation either way. I completely removed the grub screw. Still couldn't rotate the adjustment screw at all past that limit, and of course I didn't force it as this might damage the pistol. Thinking about this I realised that of course, the absorber mass and air vent pushing it would be optimised within a very narrow window for a particular velocity and/or pellet mass. The absorber adjustment valve would be changed only to compensate for a change in ammunition as needed. A significant air flow increase, such as to 500fps, would go beyond the limits of the tiny absorber vent's adjustment range. Is this correct thinking? The K10 was very widely adjustable, from about 400fps up to about 572fps with 7gr RWS Hobby pellets. It seems the K12 is factory set and locked at about 450fps or slightly higher, is this right?

Some sort of online manual regarding absorber adjustment and function would be welcomed by K12 owners I should think.

Vladimir and Emil:

Two questions about my 32 ACP (which shoots great, by the way):

I am having issues with the scope rings creeping on the rail. Every 10 shots causes the scope-ring assembly to creep forward about 5mm. It doesn't seem to matter how tight I get the screws, which brings me to the second problem. I have tried to tighten the screws so tight I have partially stripped the rear ring Torx head. What type of screw are they? They seem to be M3x0.5 30mm long. Do you sell replacement screws?

I've tried cleaning the dovetail and ring with alcohol in case there was any grease, and I just cleaned up the sharpness of the machined rings with a jeweler's file, but they were pretty sharp to begin with.

Do you know of a solution to this problem?

PardiniUSA wrote:Hello everyone,
I want to make a general topic for everyone to use whenever one has any questions that need answering as well as any kind of concerns. Our aim is to ease the communication between us all so that we can better help and support fellow shooters.
So please, if you have any sort of questions, please do not hesitate to post on this topic and we will gladly respond back.

Best regards,
Pardini USA LLC

Hello ,
What lube does Pardini recomend putting on the K12 air cylinder connection threads? The manual is a bit vauge about this. thanks

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Hello ,
What lube does Pardini recomend putting on the K12 air cylinder connection threads? The manual if a bit vauge about this. thanks[/quote]

You can use a drop of regular motor oil, not much.

cgroppi, I apologize for the rings problem. We can send you a set of rings to replace the ones you have. Or if you think there is something else that will work, call Vladimir at (813) 748-3378, Alex (813) 468-7500, or Emil (813) 361-3534

Emil Milev

Hi!
I dug up this thread and thought maybe I could ask my questions here.

1) I have a .45 Pardini, but it doesn't say GT45 on it. It says PC45S. Is this an earlier iteration or a completely different pistol? The 5" scope rail fit on it no problem. Your RINK grip fit fine, except around the slide release. It's very accurate and doesn't rise up in recoil much.

2) I am getting a problem where along in a match, without reason, the trigger pull will increase to ridiculous levels. The first few times it happened, I thought I had inadvertently put on the safety. Nope. I can pull through it and make the hammer drop, but it feels really wrong. Is there an adjustment I can make to correct this? I can't reproduce the problem in dry-firing.

Otherwise, this is a fun pistol to shoot and very accurate!

Thanks,
Shane