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Posted: **Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:01 pm**

I'd like to get a quick jump on this rule to post the intent of this rule from Gary Anderson to a junior coach.

Randy:

The new ISSF rule regarding seams on the left side panel of rifle shooting jackets has been clarified to specify that only seams "under the elbow" are prohibited. The ISSF rule now reads "The construction of the side panel may not place any horizontal seam or seams under the elbow of the support arm in the standing position." This is a very narrow area and almost all of the jackets we have checked will have no problem complying with this rule.

There is unfortunately one manufacturer that has used the placement of a rigid seam directly under the elbow as a means of stiffening the side panel. The ISSf is trying to stop these attempts to build performance enhancing features into shooting clothing in order to keep the equipment race under control and keep the performance enhancing capabilities of shooting clothing as equal as possible.

I can also tell you that this rule was not included in the 2012-2014 National Standard Air Rifle Rules. This means that the jacket you have should not be affected and even if you were to have juniors shoot in USA team trials they should not be affected unless they have one of the rare jackets that does place a seam directly under the left elbow.

Gary
Gary Anderson

Personally, I'd also like to see a photo of a jacket side panel that is not allowable.

Posted: **Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:12 pm**

Clearly, somebody got the idea of placing a seam in such a way as to support the left elbow.

Posted: **Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:17 pm**

jhmartin wrote:Personally, I'd also like to see a photo of a jacket side panel that is not allowable.

Thats every jacket that I checked at my club today then!

There was none with an advantage, but all had a seam in the side panel under the elbow! Monard, KT, Marksman house.
The most obvious are Ladies jackets, that is the exact location where they are tailored. Crazy rule, it will effectively make many jackets illegal and most ladies jackets.
This was not considered an issue or even discussed by the ISSF clothing ad hoc committee so where did Mr Anderson get his advice from?
Good shooting
Robin

Posted: **Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:47 pm**

yes ... what is "under"?

From the "intent" the seam must not make a ledge "below" the elbow to support the elbow.

A seam in "between" the elbow and the body (that does not create the ledge) should be allowed .... I think

Posted: **Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:18 pm**

jhmartin wrote:yes ... what is "under"?

From the "intent" the seam must not make a ledge "below" the elbow to support the elbow.

A seam in "between" the elbow and the body (that does not create the ledge) should be allowed .... I think

As it is written is the rule. Intent or otherwise does not come into it, if there is a separate intent then they must define it, its up to them, not us, they are the rule makers. They have written what is a rediculous rule that as written excludes most jackets, you can not have it left to EC to interpret otherwise it will be a joke, it will be different at every meeting!. My wife (an ex civil servant!!) has pointed out that the rule states "horizontal seams", the word horizontal is defined in law very simply by the dictionary definition which is "parallel to the horizon, level". So a seam that has a slight angle is not a horizontal seam!!
The rule is stupid, there is no jacket that has a defined ledge (except in Mr Andersons mind!) if there was and it was done as a deliberate aim to get unfair suport it would be in breach of the spirit of the rules rule!!
The worse thing any one can do is attempt to conform to these stupid changes, we should all just refuse, the ISSF would then have to listen and back down.
Robin

Posted: **Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:45 am**

Hi Guys,

Has there been any comment from any of the clothing manufacturer's regarding the new jacket seam rule?
I've read Kurt Thune will rework recently purchased jackets for free but the shooter will pay shipping costs, but have any of the companies actually stated that their jackets or any new jacket will meet the new rules?

I assume all the top guys have made to measure jackets so what will they be using next season?

Thx.
D.

Posted: **Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:05 pm**

Anonymous wrote: we should all just refuse, the ISSF would then have to listen and back down.
Robin

Really? You think that would work?

I don't know how they would check this at EC, so the test would be on the line. Yellow card, then Red card.

What could you do then? You're now out match fees, travel costs, etc.
You sure showed them.......

Do you REALLY think they are listening to the shooters?

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