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This TOZ was listed on the TT buy/sell/trade page. It has an interesting mirror sight assembly. Does anyone know anything about the source or manufacturer? Whether it is legal or not isn't a concern, I'm just curious about the history of this particular apparatus.

https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/2619440 ... e?h=d9d1e9

ISSF Rules

8.4.1.3

Sights: see the Pistol Specification Table.
Only open sights are allowed. Optical, mirror, telescope, laserbeam, electronically projected dot sights etc., are prohibited. Any
aiming device programmed to activate the firing mechanism is
prohibited. No protective covering is permitted on front or rear
open sight

I believe they were used briefly in the history of ISSF shooting probably back in the UIT days?

Check this link
http://www.issf-sports.org/getfile.aspx ... 0Part1.pdf

A74BEDLM wrote:...8.4.1.3...Only open sights are allowed. <Various things>are prohibited...

I find it interesting that the rules simply assume that "open sights" is a term that will be understood by all and doesn't define that term. Instead, it just lists a bunch of things that aren't "open sights", sort of a "definition by exclusion".

There's no prohibition against U-notch rear sights or bead front sights. There's no mention of the shape of the sights at all. There are all sorts of sights that meet the letter of the rule as written but that look nothing like traditional notch and post setups.

Many long-range pistol silhouette shooters who are also limited (in certain classes) to "iron sights" have begun to adopt what they call "peep-on-peep" sights, circular front and rear sights. The rear sight circle surrounds the front sight circle which surrounds the target. The tendency of the eye and brain to want to see concentric circles lined up perfectly has made for some advances in their game.

It would be possible to make "peep-on-peep" sights that are unarguably also "open sights" simply by cutting a microscopic slot in the top of each sight. They would comply with the letter of the rule. I wonder how the ISSF would react if someone started winning with such a set-up?

This is actually a serious question. Understand, I don't have a dog in this fight; I'm not a competitor in FP or any ISSF discipline. I am, however, intensely curious about the culture of the sanctioning body. I've been involved in at least a couple of other shooting organizations that take it as an insult, institutionally, if a mere competitor turns out to be more clever than the people who write the rules. In fact, I've seen some organizations simply make up rules on the spot and toss people from competition if they showed up with equipment that was too different from the norm. Is the ISSF like that or are they more open to innovation?

> ISSF Rules .... mirror... are prohibited

> > ... Understand, I don't have a dog in this fight...


Gentlemen, my intent with this thread is only to discover the history and engineering of the mirror sight. Please leave it at that, there is no fight. "8.4.1.3", etc, can be argued elsewhere.

I wrote something about this a few years ago which is hidden in another thread.

Have a look through this....


http://www.targettalk.org/viewtopic.php?t=15984