TargetTalk

I sold my Izh35M, it was fairly worn, started doubling and its never really suited me.

FAS don't seem to be available any longer, it seems to come down to a Pardini - I don't like the length, a Morini or an FWB AW93.

Which is the more reliable of the Morini or FWB?

Does anyone know if the slide breakage of the FWB has been resolved, or if its going to keep bobbing up forever, it doesn't look like a robust design.

All suggestions and advice welcome.

What's not to like about the Pardini length?

I would choose the FWB for reliability and the Morini for ergonimics.

Yes the FWB will go for ever but not the best design if you want to shoot Rapid Fire or Standard Pistol.

The Morinis issues are easily solved (polish the chamber etc).

The Morinis issues are easily solved (polish the chamber etc).

Are you kidding? Polish the chamber on a 2-grand pistol? That's nuts. I was going to say, "No offense intended"; but an outfit that builds an expensive pistol that may need its chamber polished perhaps ought to be offended.

That applies to both Morini and FWB it seems....

The chambers of booth are dimensioned to suit European .22 ammunition - which is ever so slightly smaller than American. Chamber polishing mentioned here is allow reliable chambering of the larger American ammunition, not to correct any chamber defects.

You can do the polishing yourself - David M posted excellent details some time ago on how to do this for a FWB.

It is more the standard of finish I am refering to with the Morini. They seem to be a bit rough. Have a look at the fired cases and you will see the scuffing on the brass.

[/quote]It is more the standard of finish I am refering to with the Morini. They seem to be a bit rough. Have a look at the fired cases and you will see the scuffing on the brass.

As I suspected, you know the difference between polishing and reaming.

So apart from a potentially duff chamber is there anything I need to know about the morini?

I think I would get the CM22M Alu.

Have you also considered a Hammerli SP20 and a Matchguns MG2?

I've considered them and for various reasons narrowed it down to the Morini and FWB, neither are even close to ideal.

Another reason why I need to develop my own target pistol....

Féél them yrself and choose. We cant feel for you!
I have a Pardini SP myself, allthough I love my 162 morini AP, I didnt like the morini .22. Its SO personal.
Dont think you can go wrong with either.

yana wrote:Féél them yrself and choose. We cant feel for you!

It seems to me that James has already tried them and has decided on either a Morini or an FWB.

He is now just looking for input on reliability and build quality.

Another option would be the Walther SSP. It has more grip rake than aw93 , is lighter in front, can be fitted with damping weigh and in the near future it will be available with e-trigger. From the limited coverage i get in the world cup videos aw93 and cm22 can be seen mostly in women's sport pistol discipline. RF is dominated by the Pardini and in rare occasions i have seen in the videos the presence of SSP and MG2. Another overlooked candidate might be the Bennelli.

SSP looks like a work in progress at this point, and if Walther can mess up the GSP by 'improving' it I'm doubtful a new pistol will be a triumph.

JamesH wrote:SSP looks like a work in progress at this point, and if Walther can mess up the GSP by 'improving' it I'm doubtful a new pistol will be a triumph.

James,

Could you please explain specifically how the new GSP version is messed up compared to the old? I've never handled one, but it doesn't look that different.

Thanks,
FredB

The trigger units used to be pretty good, not so much now.

JamesH wrote:The trigger units used to be pretty good, not so much now.

Do you mean the change from the single-stage unit to the two-stage unit? Or was the two-stage unit modified or changed for the Expert model?

IMHO SSP with mechanical trigger is quite finished. it was its peculiarities but most bugs have been corrected. as for gsp trigger james i guess you refer to the old OSP style ones. the trigger units of late gsp or gsp expert we have at our club are not different. only a bit worn more because we had 2 sets (1000/1360gr) and because we used to switch them a lot. what about benelli? it has performed very well in the hands of klimov. also mg2 can be ordered with alu or steel for the front weight which alters the balance. also you can get a customized grip which is very nice (mine is the best grip i have and i am trying to find a way to copy it to all my other pistols).

ghostrip wrote:(mine is the best grip i have and i am trying to find a way to copy it to all my other pistols).

Rink can copy your favorit grip to other pistols. Tycho had it done.

Or just order the whole MG series. LOL. Well i like to experiment a little. A long time ago i tried and copied an old grip of mine to use it on my then new LP10 using rubber silicone and a type of resin i used for scale modelling. grip was good but too heavy. nowadays i have found liquid plastic. i have made plastic copies of the front sights for both my mg2 and the club gsp i use for cf to enable quick change of point of impact between sp/cf/rf without messing with rear sight adjustments (inspired by the interchangeble rear sight of SSP and the front variable height sights i have seen on e-gun for GSP).