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Hello friends!
I am looking for a new glove for prone,and I am thinking of buying a good one.
I've been told about Thune solid,but there are four different solid ones...
What's the best out there?
Which one do you prefer?

I have turned down three different gloves I've bought without testing them in position :(
The best way to find out which one you like, is to try the glove in position before you buy it, and you will save yourself some money.
It migh feel good when you try it on the hand, but in position with added pressure and sling it might be completely different (uncomfortable seams etc). I tested some different gloves at a competition, visited by some dealers. My choice for prone is a soft AHG/Anschütz glove, since it was the most comfortable for me.

Anschutz Thermostar / Airmax - both great for prone.

I have a Thune Solid - it's very comfortable for me. I tried a friend's before I got my own.

The "try it in position" advice is very wise.

I have used the Thune Solid, both full fingered and fingerless, for a LONG time and have found it to be the finest, well-made, durable, protective glove I have ever used. The NRA matches (1600s) are easy anyway because you only shoot 20 record shots at a time. My real glove test began when shooting the Mens Prone 60 shot matches to qualify for the World Cup Teams (as well as the USA SHooting National Championships - Ft Benning). I train with the USAMU. I had the very same problem. They steered me in the right direction.

In these matches, you can shoot as many sighters as you want but once you go for record, you must shoot the 60 record shots straight thru. This can be done quickly if there are minor conditions to consider, but if there is a tricky wind or switchy mirage, you are forced to maintain yourself for more than an hour.

The Thune Solid has a thick solid panel of flexible yet protective material down the back of the hand that goes PAST the wrist bone (that we all know hurts like hell from the sling at times). The same material wraps around to the palm and protects even more. When you use this glove in combination with the smallest handstop that Anschutz makes (it looks like a a little disc), there is no need to worry about any pinching. The pressure of the sling trapping the hand up into the stock keeps the space between your thumb and forefinger clear of pain and anguish. The glove does the rest.

I have been able to shoot consistently for long practice days and these types of matches using this combination with little or no issue. I shoot in the high 590s and routinely must wait out the wind for long durations. If I were you, I'd try this combination. Everyone I have ever shown this system to has stayed with it since.

Good luck. Pain sucks. Bart

Hello everyone and thank you for your advices!
I purchased the Thune solid(cut fingers) and the used it for three practicies and a match one 300m(7.62mm)
That caliber's recoil is something...
Now I am waiting for the first practice on smollbore to evaluate it.
I am already satisfied with it's quality.I can already stay much more in position without disturbing pain!!!

Another note friend:

I have seen your many posts over the past two years. Sounds like you are starting to really refine aspects of your shooting that will soon benefit you greatly.

One training objective is to be able to get in and out of any position and reachieve the same position each time you come back to the firing line. Being able to reacquire your perfect NPA over and over is essential to making sure that your bullets go in the same place after you REST. RESTS are important. They allow you to get the feeling back in your hand, relax, put the previous shots behind you, and start fresh again.

BUT...taking rests and getting back on target to continue shooting 10s is difficult to achieve early on in one's training, but the more you practice, the better you will get. When I train with the Unit (Prone specifically), I shoot sighters until I have at least 7-8 10.4s or better in a row. Then I take a short break. I do not move my left elbow but I do bring the gun up and get my hand OUT of the sling position slightly to let the blood flow back in. Then I reacquire my position, shoot at least 3-5 more solid 10s and if I feel comfortable I go for record. Under perfect or minimal weather and light conditions, I am usually able to shoot 20-30 shots before needing to resting again. (If the wind is bad or the mirage is super-twitchy, I may only get ten shots off at a time before needing to rest.) Again, I leave my left elbow in place and do "Potent" rest. If you watch Warren in the ISSF finals, he raises the gun, takes the pressure off his left hand, and places his right hand up under his gun to his left shoulder and relaxes his chin on his right hand or forearm. He just sits there waiting. Once I rest and get all the feeling back in my left hand, I get back in position and shoot about 10-15 shot strings with more rests until I have finished the match. The one mistake I used to make was trying to finish up a string of shots on a "5th" or "10th" shot in a string. I NOW rest when my hand calls to me, my eyes need a break, or when I have had a few shots that are 10.2 or less - especially one or two 10.0s!! They freak me out.

A good way to practice, especially on paper targets, is to sight in, shoot your first 20 shots, get up, change your target, then get back into position and go into the next target or two WITHOUT shooting sighters. Make your sighter bulls RECORD BULLS. Make believe you have just taken a good long rest and you must continue on with your record shots. This forces you to be extremely careful with your new shot strings and keeps your mind focused on reacquiring that same position every time. If you do this over and over, you will not need to worry about your glove so much. Your hand will get the break you need and you will grow in confidence by leaps and bounds.

Good luck. If you try tihis technique, I'd like to hear how you do.

Bart

Thank's Bart!
I will sure try it and let you know.

Can you post a link to a video or pic of this rest position?

Thanks,
Edward

BartP wrote:Another note friend:

I have seen your many posts over the past two years. Sounds like you are starting to really refine aspects of your shooting that will soon benefit you greatly.

One training objective is to be able to get in and out of any position and reachieve the same position each time you come back to the firing line. Being able to reacquire your perfect NPA over and over is essential to making sure that your bullets go in the same place after you REST. RESTS are important. They allow you to get the feeling back in your hand, relax, put the previous shots behind you, and start fresh again.

BUT...taking rests and getting back on target to continue shooting 10s is difficult to achieve early on in one's training, but the more you practice, the better you will get. When I train with the Unit (Prone specifically), I shoot sighters until I have at least 7-8 10.4s or better in a row. Then I take a short break. I do not move my left elbow but I do bring the gun up and get my hand OUT of the sling position slightly to let the blood flow back in. Then I reacquire my position, shoot at least 3-5 more solid 10s and if I feel comfortable I go for record. Under perfect or minimal weather and light conditions, I am usually able to shoot 20-30 shots before needing to resting again. (If the wind is bad or the mirage is super-twitchy, I may only get ten shots off at a time before needing to rest.) Again, I leave my left elbow in place and do "Potent" rest. If you watch Warren in the ISSF finals, he raises the gun, takes the pressure off his left hand, and places his right hand up under his gun to his left shoulder and relaxes his chin on his right hand or forearm. He just sits there waiting. Once I rest and get all the feeling back in my left hand, I get back in position and shoot about 10-15 shot strings with more rests until I have finished the match. The one mistake I used to make was trying to finish up a string of shots on a "5th" or "10th" shot in a string. I NOW rest when my hand calls to me, my eyes need a break, or when I have had a few shots that are 10.2 or less - especially one or two 10.0s!! They freak me out.

A good way to practice, especially on paper targets, is to sight in, shoot your first 20 shots, get up, change your target, then get back into position and go into the next target or two WITHOUT shooting sighters. Make your sighter bulls RECORD BULLS. Make believe you have just taken a good long rest and you must continue on with your record shots. This forces you to be extremely careful with your new shot strings and keeps your mind focused on reacquiring that same position every time. If you do this over and over, you will not need to worry about your glove so much. Your hand will get the break you need and you will grow in confidence by leaps and bounds.

Good luck. If you try tihis technique, I'd like to hear how you do.

Bart

Ed,

It's better to watch the video of how Warren Potent "rests". He uses the same rest for his match as he does in his Finals.

Go to: http://www.issf.tv/default.aspx?mode=is ... e=0&inst=0

Click on ISSF-TV: you should arrive at: http://www.issf.tv/tvplayer.aspx

Next, in the Search box, enter "potent" then hit Enter

Go to and click on the thumbnail that reads:
ISSF World Cup
Milan, ITA, 2009
Final 50m Rifle Prone Men
> Highlight > Long version

Watch this whole video OR go to 1:16 or 2:42 to see his rest postion. There are other World Cup videos there for you to watch. Watching the Finals are the best because they all take breaks of some kind between shots.

Hope this helps. Bart

Thanks for link.

Bart and all,

I use the same exact glove that Mr. Parnell is talking about. I love it. The only problem is like he said the back piece goes behind the wrist and hurts just below the wrist bone extremely bad. I found that by cutting that small corner where the sling pushed up against the glove and wrist still allows you to keep the support the glove gives you but take away the deep pain and the only thing that happens is your hand falls asleep. It does that anyway. It has added about 2 points to my overall score on average in a 600 which can be the difference between 2nd and 10th place sometimes.

Just a thought,

Mike L.