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Hi all, well I've had this new IZH-46m for a few days now and just can't put the thing down.Being out of work right now on disability affords me the luxury of having too much time on my hands.So is it possible to practice too much?I know practice of bad habits is not good.I have copied all the training articles from pilk into a binder and have read and re-read all the articles and am trying to apply these shooting techniques and mental concepts while I shoot.

Another question is regarding gloves.When shooting large bore handguns I always wear a padded glove for recoil.When shooting smaller bore handguns like .357 or .22 I prefer to wear super thin nighthawk tatctical nitrile gloves as I like the no slip grip feel it gives and it helps keep the lead off the hands.Scanning all the photos and videos online of 10m AP shooters I have never seen one shooter with a glove on.If I were ever to entertain shooting in a 10m AP match, would it be legal to wear a thin nitrile glove?

Thanks..............................Chris

cloudswimmer wrote:If I were ever to entertain shooting in a 10m AP match, would it be legal to wear a thin nitrile glove?

Yes, no problem.

You might wonder however why you would probably be the only person wearing one.

David Levene wrote:...Yes, no problem...

provided it does not cover the wrist

Spencer

David Levene wrote: You might wonder however why you would probably be the only person wearing one.

Exactally, which is why I asked.In the handgun hunting world I come from it is very common to wear a glove/s for several reasons.The whole nitrile glove thing came about when I was doing a lot of desert shooting.It was a pain to shoot a box of rounds and then have to wash my hands before eating a snack or having a smoke (which I finally gave up, the smoking not snacks :)
And ever since I've become use to them and shoot better with them on.But it looks like I better get use to shooting AP without them because they do cover the wrist a bit, though they offer no support.Out of curiosity, what do the governing officials say about long sleeve garments, do the sleeves have a length restriction so they don't cover the wrist?

Chris

cloudswimmer wrote:Out of curiosity, what do the governing officials say about long sleeve garments, do the sleeves have a length restriction so they don't cover the wrist?

ISSF rule 8.6.1.1 "The shooter must stand free, without support, with both feet and/or shoes completely within the firing point. The pistol must be held and fired with one hand only. The wrist must be visibly free of support."

For the wrist to be visibly free of support it must obviously be visible.

David Levene wrote:

cloudswimmer wrote:Out of curiosity, what do the governing officials say about long sleeve garments, do the sleeves have a length restriction so they don't cover the wrist?

ISSF rule 8.6.1.1 "The shooter must stand free, without support, with both feet and/or shoes completely within the firing point. The pistol must be held and fired with one hand only. The wrist must be visibly free of support."

For the wrist to be visibly free of support it must obviously be visible.

So I guess in this photo of Frank Dumoulin in the link below he would be in violation of ISSF rule 8.6.1.1?

http://english.cri.cn/2886/2008/04/13/1301@345441.htm

David wrote: "For the wrist to be visibly free of support it must obviously be visible."
I offer another view (rant):
Typically, during Equipment Check, the inspector has the shooter hold out his pistol in the shooting position. The shooter is then asked to break his wrist up, down, left, and right (relative to his forearm).
This is the visible demonstration that their is no support being given to the wrist.
The fact that at times during actual competition the wrist joint might be obscured from view by a shirt sleeve should not be of concern. If there is concern with a particular individual, the official on the line could ask for the demonstration again. But having the officials running up and down the line (as happened at the Canadian Championships) insisting that everyone keep their shirt sleeve drawn back at all times was annoying, distracting, picayune, and unnecessary. IMNSHO

cloudswimmer wrote:

David Levene wrote:

cloudswimmer wrote:Out of curiosity, what do the governing officials say about long sleeve garments, do the sleeves have a length restriction so they don't cover the wrist?

ISSF rule 8.6.1.1 "The shooter must stand free, without support, with both feet and/or shoes completely within the firing point. The pistol must be held and fired with one hand only. The wrist must be visibly free of support."

For the wrist to be visibly free of support it must obviously be visible.

Cloudswimmer you'll find hundreds of photos like that. The wrist being visible at all times seems to be a local interpretation. That said it's always best to keep it visible rather than be bothered by some overly zealous official.

photo 1... looks to me as if he is shooting against a wall ????. It nevers looks like he is actually shooting in competition in any of the photos. It also looks to be cold in the building. Maybe thats just his warm up jacket! Anyone watch that match? It could be totally taken out of context, ( isnt that what any good politican would say) Thus no rule violation, but im only guessing.

Chris, some topics never die, they fade away only to return. Here is a related very lengthy discussion on the question of wrist support:
viewtopic.php?t=19911&highlight=wrist+grip

Mike Taylor wrote:The fact that at times during actual competition the wrist joint might be obscured from view by a shirt sleeve should not be of concern. If there is concern with a particular individual, the official on the line could ask for the demonstration again. But having the officials running up and down the line (as happened at the Canadian Championships) insisting that everyone keep their shirt sleeve drawn back at all times was annoying, distracting, picayune, and unnecessary.

I see the "wrist being visibly free of support" as being more concerned with clothing than the gun.

As you say, the grip should hopefully have been checked at EC and should only take a quick glance to see that it, or the way it is being held, hasn't changed.

Of more concern to the range staff will be supportive clothing. Whilst I would be fairly relaxed about a shirt with a loose fitting cuff, anything with an elasticated or tight fitting cuff will draw my attention (and insistence that the wrist should be visibly free).

By doing this I suppose I can, quite rightfully, be accused of not following the rules to the letter for everyone. I do feel though that it is a common sense approach.

Having said that, when I am shooting I always make sure that my sleeve is pulled back from my wrist, whether I have tight fitting clothing on or not.

Nobody forces us to shoot in competitions shot under ISSF rules. If we want to do so then we should make every effort to ensure that we comply with those rules. If the match officials correctly tell us that we are breaking the rules (however minor they may seem) then that is our fault, not theirs.

cloudswimmer wrote:Another question is regarding gloves. ....If I were ever to entertain shooting in a 10m AP match, would it be legal to wear a thin nitrile glove?

Thanks..............................Chris

Not if you're shooting in an NRA sanctioned match. Rule 3.11 states, in relevant part, "Gloves are not allowed."

If u need a glove to make the AP stick in your hand, your grip is not fitted properly. Once fitted u can relax your hand and the gun will still feel like part of your hand!