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Dear freiends,

After dropping the wrist , the front sight was far away down in my Steyr LP10 . I have done some adjustments because the facility doesn't come with the gun. but still the front sight is not seen after dropping the wrist compleately.
1. Is there a special grip for this perpose for LP10..?
2. Is this facility available in Morini 162.
3. Any comments on the wrist drop...?

Thanks
rgds
Sagara

Why are you dropping your wrist so much?

What is your desired outcome in dropping your wrist?

The Morini has less adjustment than the Steyr, I doubt any pistol can be adjusted to fix what you describe.

Hi,

There is no any movement happen up or down when we drop
the wrist compleately & the other thing is we don't need to hold the front sight up. We have noticed top class shooters do this..

Rgds
Sagara

sagara wrote:Hi,

There is no any movement happen up or down when we drop
the wrist compleately & the other thing is we don't need to hold the front sight up. We have noticed top class shooters do this..

Rgds
Sagara

Rink grip are more default wrist dropped, if can help you.
More raked angle can make your wrist suffering.
Hammerli free pistol, like 150 have tremendous wrist drop if you like it. Absolutely unpleasant in my hand, just try...

sagara wrote: I have done some adjustments because the facility doesn't come with the gun

Sagara,

I'm not sure exactly what you mean here. If, as it seems, you are saying that the LP10 has no rake (up and down angle) adjustment, that is not correct. There is a great deal of rake adjustment possible, as the owner's manual explains. Perhaps you are missing the manual?

HTH,
FredB

O.K., so you are inclining your wrist to take advantage of the additional stability afforded by allowing tension on the tendons along the back/top of the hand.

This has been demonstrated and accepted.

But what are the trade-offs? Are there any?

The reason why I'm asking these questions is because apparently you are inclining your wrist well beyond the design limits of the equipment.

This would suggest you are inclining your wrist more than what is considered "optimal." Alternately, this may be because your physiology is quite unique (bones/ligaments in your wrist have been damaged/torn?), in which case you may need special equipment.

Or, as others have suggested, you aren't really inclining your wrist more than "normal" but have been unable to adjust your rake angle within the design limits.

Or I am totally misunderstanding the nature of the situation as you present it.

The situation you describe is quite unusual.

If possible get someone to take a digital photo so we can see exactly what it is your talking about.

Dear Friends,

I have been studing this for some times.
I have seen lot of top shooters specially chinese shoot wrist drop.
when I kept holding the front sight up, I was not comfortable.
in some occations sight moves slightly down at the last moment of shot release.( not at the time shot release )

yes there is up & down adjustment with the few scrue nails.
I have been using those for some time.
what I did was, kept two wooden peaces under the iron flatform.
Those wodden peaces were cut in an agle to raise the front of the barrel. it worked. now it is working well.

My wrist is normal.

I will send a picture later.
I am sorry about my language skills..

Rgds
Sagara

Sagara,

I know exactly what you are talking about. When I started this sport I would find I would shoot lots of low groups and when i would get tired my front sight would drop down so I could not see it.

On the LP10 I replaced the grip adjustment screws with longer ones that had a different head to them and I also made some mods to the grip so I could rake my had position more. I have ended up with a 45deg grip angle. My rear sights are very close to my hand. The grip I have is from my LP1 and does not have all the material on top of the hand. what was there is gone. I also ended up taking material off the grip under the little finger and adding material above my middle finger and also moving my middle finger out some. I hope that part made sense. I was doing the same work to my toz at the same time the only difference is the toz grip has no mechanical adjustment so it took more wood work.

My goal was to end up with a grip position where when I pointed the pistol down range with out looking and then opened my eyes the sights were lined up every time. I did achieve this and I feel like I have benefited from this work.

Good luck to you in your grip modifications.

A few comments. Free pistols tend to be very 'drop wrist' but as the trigger weight increases the gun is typically shot more upright. I think it's harder to pull the trigger drop wrist because of the annotomical positioning of the hand / fingers in relation to the trigger.

Dropped wrist isn't inherently more stable but some nations do tend to prefer that style, but most don't ! Don't make the mistake of following a small group of the top shooters. As Steve says the guns are designed to be shot in a more upright position, and for a reason, and that feeling of stability will come with time, and as you adjust the balance of the gun with the addition / removal of the weights.

Also don't forget if you do make the grip angle very drop wrist, you may run the risk of making the overall size of the gun outside the allowable limits (for ISSF rules). So I suggest you check it in the box after any changes.

Rob.

That is a good point, Rob.

The optimal rake angle appears to be a function of the trigger weight, as on average the angle approaches the "broom handle" as we consider free-> air -> standard -> high-caliber. So one shouldn't make an decision for AP based on whoever is doing whatever for FP.


Also, I don't pay attention to what "elite" athletes are doing. Keep in mind that 20-40 years ago, when the average results of top athletes were higher, they were doing things rather differently.

if the adjustment screws didnt work for him, he must be either adjusting way too much or do not trust the screws to stay in place.

just wondering but is there a possibility of the pistol failing the box test because of too much rake in the grip?

Yes, the more rake, the longer the pistol becomes.

Hi,

I am with in the limitation of box test.

Chris...
I am happy that you have experienced this modification.
are you comfortable with the trigger.
did you do any adjustment to the trigger.
angled trigger would be a better option I feel.


I kept wodden peaces just to comfort the gun with out using longer srew nails.

Thanks
Sagara

It was so long ago I do not remember what changes I had to make to the trigger. They must not have been too extensive since I do not remember.

I do know for a fact my pistol never had any issue fitting in the box. The same grip on my LP1 or my LP10 both passed several national championships and selection matches.

Oddly my grip angle on my AP is 5 deg more than my FP. I would have prefered them to be the same but I ran into the frame on my Toz so I had to stop. It works for me but may not for every one.

Richard's suggestion for a picture is still a great idea. Coaching from X thousands of miles away is somewhat err problematic for issues like this . . .