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I know they are basically the same pistol with the exception of the grip and the barrel shroud... However the big difference is the new LP10 ball bearing trigger which the LP@ doesn't have . I think what I would like to know is if you think the ball bearing trigger makes such a difference? Has any of you shot an LP10 with the old and new trigger. Is the ball bearing trigger a real improvement or is it subjective? Any tips and recommendations would be very helpful.

Thank you.

FYI, here is a related thread: http://www.targettalk.org/viewtopic.php ... ng+trigger

I have never fired an LP-10 with a ball-bearing trigger, yet I cannot believe that it is any significant break-through in gun design. In my opinion, you should give more consideration to things like weight, sight radius, sight adjustments, trigger adjustments, available accessories, etc. As you are aware, the LP-10 and LP@ are very nearly the same. As far as I know, even the grips are the same. When I was faced with a similar decision, I went for the LP@ Junior because I prefer a shorter sight radius (less apparent wobble). The decision is really yours alone to make.

As said in some other threads, I have an LP10 and my wife has an LP@ light (new model that replace the LP@ junior).

Besides the different barrel, the LP@ uses the old style trigger blade from the LP10 (the small black one, reent LP10 have a broader silver one). The grip looks similar but is different and feels different in the hand it is as good as the LP10 grip, each individual has to check which one better fits for its hand.

For the ball bearing, I had an opportunity to fire some shots with the new one and didn't feel much difference. Anyway, at least in Germany, Steyr offer the possibility to upgrade any LP10 (and an LP@) to the trigger ball bearing for about 70Euros.

Thanks GaryBF, I did see this thread, thank you for mentioning it again.
Jipe, I also remember your past threads on the subject... Since I can't try each pistol physically I need to rely on opinions, as subjective as they may be... I did email Pilkguns and they assure me that I had 3 days to send the pistol I end up choosing should I not like it, so at least I am getting some piece of mind... But I would love to make the right choice on the first try.

cheers.

I completely understand your dilema. There is no source for air pistols in my area, so I bought my LP@ Junior sight unseen. If you have any more questions, just ask. We are here for you in your time of need ;).

For information, the german gun magasine Visier tests AP and AR and maintain a table with the results:
http://www.visier.de/bilder/excel/lp_match.htm
http://www.visier.de/bilder/excel/lg_match.htm

No brainer.

The LP10 is the higher spec pistol and the price reflects that. If you can afford the LP10 buy it. The LP@ is the cheaper, lower spec alternative.

? wrote:No brainer.

The LP10 is the higher spec pistol and the price reflects that. If you can afford the LP10 buy it. The LP@ is the cheaper, lower spec alternative.

Price is not a huge issue, especially the difference in price between both is not very importantl, however I would like it if you could expand your statement a bit. How is the LP@ a lower spec alternative? All the research I have done show the specs are pretty much the same. Have I missed something?

? wrote:No brainer.

The LP10 is the higher spec pistol and the price reflects that. If you can afford the LP10 buy it. The LP@ is the cheaper, lower spec alternative.

I am sorry, but this statement is totally wrong: most parts are the same, only the barrel, compensator and method to put additional weights are different. They are also manufactured in the same factory, i.e. Anschutz... because Anschutz bought Steyr Sportwaffen. If you remove the grip of an LP10 you will see that it marked Anschutz (while LP@ cylinders are marked Steyr Sportwaffen !!!).

Anschutz changed the barrel not for price reason but to make a different looking pistol clearly distinguished from the LP10.

If you look at the price, you will see that in most shops, the street of the LP10 is actually lower than the one of the LP@. The reason is pretty simple to understand: there are much more LP10 sold than LP@ due the very good reputation of the LP10, so big shops buy many pieces of the LP10 and obtain a good quantity discount that they cannot obtain for the much smaller quantities of LP@ they buy. By the way, you will get a much better price for a used LP10 than for a used LP@ (it is incredible: I saw many old LP10 without manometer on the cylinder so 5 to 7 years old sold on eGun for more than 800Euros while you can easily find a brand new LP10 for 1050 to 1100euros).

The pistol that is cheaper is the LP@ light aimed at junior and female shooters. It is cheaper only for marketing reasons, i.e. all brands sells junior pistol cheaper. it is almost the same as the LP@/LP10, the only differences are:
- the barrel = shorter to reduce the weigth and without the three holes (holes were removed not for a price reason but to reduce the air consumption to allow a decent number of shots with the shorter cylinder)
- the cylinder is shorter to reduce the weight
- there is no rod under the cylinder to put additional weights: it provide some savings but is also consistant with the aim of this pistol that is to provide a lightweigth version.
- the standard grip is anatomical grip but size XS (but on order, you can have any grip size), this is also consistent with the goal: junior/female have smaller hands.

\For me it is the best option for junior/female because it is a true top performance pistol (not like the LP2 light that is a cheaper/simplified pistol) delivered with the same equipment as the LP@ (two cylinders, fully adjustable trigger, fully adjustable sights: front and rear), the weight is really reduced: it is only 780 gramns with an anatomic XS grip and, last but not least, sold at a soft price compared to the LP10/LP@. LP2 light and other juniors pistols can be cheaper but are usually delivered with only one cylinder, so, if you buy a second one, what almost mandatory due to the reduced number of shots provided by the smaller cylinder of junior pistols, you come to the price of the LP@ for a simplified pistol: the LP2 has no absorber, less trigger and sights adjustements.

Well said, jipe. Let me add that there is a weight kit available for the LP@ Light/Junior that contains the necessary bracket, rod, and weights to make it exactly the same as the full size LP@. I bought the kit but found that I didn't need it. While I had it on my gun, I did discover this one negative: removing the air cylinder with the weight rod attached is difficult, however, it is no big deal to loosen the weight rod set screw and remove the rod when you need to change cylinders.

When I bought my Junior from Neal Johnson's Gunsmithing Inc. they swapped out the small standard grip for the grip size of my choice, at no cost. Forget the junior/female labels, the compact LP@ is every bit as capable as the full size LP-10 or LP@, it just has a shorter barrel and sight radius which some prefer.

Finally, understand that both Anschutz models have the (somewhat controversal) recoil absorber that the LP-10 has.

GaryBF wrote:Forget the junior/female labels, the compact LP@ is every bit as capable as the full size LP-10 or LP@, it just has a shorter barrel and sight radius which some prefer.

Indeed, it is a top performance pistol with the same features as the full size barrel LP10/LP@. Also, since you bought yours, the model has changed: it is now called LP@ light instead of junior and has the same triangular front sights as the LP@. So you can now adjust the front sight width by rotating it as on the LP@.

The only real difference/drawback of it is that, due to the shorter barrel, the muzzle velocity is factory set significantly lower (about 150m/s compared to 170m/s for a low weight R10 0.45gr pellet) and can only be increased up to the muzzle velocity of the full size barrel at the expense of a lrather imited number of shots per cylinder. This is due to the fact that to obtain the same muzzle velocity, more air is needed with a shorter barrel and this combined with the reduced capacity of the shorter cylinder would result in few shots/cylinder fill.

It must be said that the number of shots per cylinder of the full size barrel LP10/LP@ is already relatively small: Steyr claims 180 what is not true, Anschutz claims 150 what is much more honest. This with a completely filled cylinder what almost never happens if you fill the cylinder with a scuba diving bottle that is at 200bar only just after refilling and begins soon to drop. The only practical way to really obtain around 150 shots is to fill the cylinder either with an handpump or a compressor.

GaryBF wrote:Finally, understand that both Anschutz models have the (somewhat controversal) recoil absorber that the LP-10 has.

Yes, at least on the LP@ light (you can see the absorber when the grip is removed). Now is that still controversial seen the incredible amount of medals obtained with the LP10 in top competitions and the fact that all latest models (FWB P44, Walther 300XT, Tesro) have also an absorber ?

Top rifles from FWB, Walther, Steyr and Anschutz have an absorber.