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Hello!

If your are interested in viewing pictures of the final of the national airgun league of germany with many international stars, f.e. Mikhail Nestruev, Jason Parker, Vladimir Gontcharov ...

Take a visit at my homepage:

http://schiessportinfos.sc.ohost.de/bun ... essen.html

Regards

Stefan
www.schiessportinfos.de

Wow! Thanks Stefan for posting the link to your site! Those pictutes are fantastic ... I can only imagine what it would be like if there were AP leagues like that in the USA.

Every pistol shooter stands with the right side of the body square to the target. There is variation in foot position, regarding toes out or in. This position requires turning the head hard right.

While this position is shown in the RWS video tape on pistol shooting and in Yer 'Yev's book, I didn't realize it was so widely used by top shooters.

are those candy bars that shooter in pic 98 is going to eat during his string?

and what are those boards with hoops and nets on the wall above the targets?

I like their electronics systems

Poole
http://arizona.rifleshooting.com/

Thanks Stefan, I am sure we are all jealous of the popularity of shooting in Germany.

I was going to ask whose electonic targets they were using, but thought better of it when I looked at the sign on the front of the firing point bench.

Bob LeDoux wrote:Every pistol shooter stands with the right side of the body square to the target. There is variation in foot position, regarding toes out or in. This position requires turning the head hard right.

While this position is shown in the RWS video tape on pistol shooting and in Yer 'Yev's book, I didn't realize it was so widely used by top shooters.

Bob,
It appears to be getting more and more popular as well. I was always taught that a 45 degree type position offered the best stability but it seems the current thinking is something to do with using less (shoulder ?) muscles standing sideways on. I've got a coaching session this w/e so I'll ask about the why's and wherefores of said stance.

Rob.

Take a look at the pictures Stefan posted of Franck Dumoulin. It appears that the stock/grip comes back to a point several inches up his arm rather than ending at his wrist. I was under the impression that this was not permitted. The stock/grip almost wraps around like a free pistol grip.

Lanning Hochhauser wrote:Take a look at the pictures Stefan posted of Franck Dumoulin. It appears that the stock/grip comes back to a point several inches up his arm rather than ending at his wrist. I was under the impression that this was not permitted. The stock/grip almost wraps around like a free pistol grip.

The pictures are not conclusive, it could be a photographic illusion.

It is a fairly safe bet that he wouldn't be allowed to get away with an "iffey" grip at a World cup or above. He will, no doubt, be at the European Championships in a couple of weeks time and I am sure his grip will be perfectly good then.

My guess is that it was a photographic illusion.

If you look at photo 5, you can see that the grip does not extend to a point beyond the wrist joint:

http://schiessportinfos.sc.ohost.de/gal ... 6/l004.jpg

I am sure that the international judges would catch anything like that at the equipment check prior to a shooter taking the line. He is unique in his equipment approach by utilizing the web belt to locate and support his free hand. I have often wondered if my habit of putting my non-shooting hand in a vest or jacket pocket may in some way be affecting my upper body stability since the weight is then transferred through the cloth to my shoulders. Franck's method results in locating the support and pressure to his hips which may translate to more stability for him. Hmmmmm ...

Luft-Patrick: You have got a point there.
I simply suport my left hand thumb under the waist of my Levis. The waist belt of the Levis transfers the added weight to my hips much in the same manner as the belt of Mr. Dumoulin.
The importent thing, like you wrote, is to achieve a unstrained stance, with no unneeded strain to the upper back/shoulder area.

Bach in the late 70s / early 80s, when I did my best shooting, I used a leened backward stance, like those seen in some of the photos. I was labeled, and mocked for doing so! Mostly by those who shot scores inferior to mine though...
I was told my stance was no god, I used this stance out of lazyness. And it would damage my spine in the long run. Rubbish. Even the national team coach told me I was doing wrong. I will remind him of this if I see him at the Nationals...

I am encouraged by seeng so many top shoters using a stance much like mine. Those who have seen the living legend, Martin Tenk, shoot FP knows what I am talking about.
I think the leaned backward, with a slight closkwise (for right-handed shooters) rotation af the upper body gives the most relaxed postition. With less strain to the right arm and shoulder. This postition is not in agreement with most written instructions for shooting stances. Maybe the instructions are outdated?

Your friend,
tseuG

Nice pictures. I believe that the air rifle of Dirk Leiwen infringes the rule 7.4.3.7 "C = Distance from center of the front sight to center of bore =40 mm"

dgold wrote:Nice pictures. I believe that the air rifle of Dirk Leiwen infringes the rule 7.4.3.7 "C = Distance from center of the front sight to center of bore =40 mm"

I haven't looked at the pictures (which can be misleading) but I think you should look at the new rules. The distance was increased to 60mm in the rules effective 01/01/2005.

Thanks again, David.
Your updated and accurate info is always welcome.

Tseug,

Just two weeks ago I started experimenting with the more "lean back" stance you described. In the three range sessions I have had so far, I have noted a slight but nonetheless noticeable increase both in steadiness of hold and overall comfort.

One of our local high master shooters, Bob Fleming uses a fairly extreme form of this stance with great success.

I guess the lesson is if you can still keep the muzzle pointing down range, try anything.

F. Paul

stesei wrote:Hello!

If your are interested in viewing pictures of the final of the national airgun league of germany with many international stars, f.e. Mikhail Nestruev, Jason Parker, Vladimir Gontcharov ...

Take a visit at my homepage:

http://schiessportinfos.sc.ohost.de/bun ... essen.html

Regards

Stefan
www.schiessportinfos.de

What is that specialist 10m equipment in photo #80?

How about the guy shooting left handed with a right hand pistol..31/166

Rob, I think he is just relaxing, holding the pistol by the left hand during the preparation time prior to the match. Like Abdullah Ustaglu does sometimes.

tseuG

I looked at picture #5 and see that it is more in perspective, but it still looks like the grip protrudes beyond the wrist joint.

Luftrick wrote:If you look at photo 5, you can see that the grip does not extend to a point beyond the wrist joint:

http://schiessportinfos.sc.ohost.de/gal ... 6/l004.jpg

I am sure that the international judges would catch anything like that at the equipment check prior to a shooter taking the line. He is unique in his equipment approach by utilizing the web belt to locate and support his free hand. I have often wondered if my habit of putting my non-shooting hand in a vest or jacket pocket may in some way be affecting my upper body stability since the weight is then transferred through the cloth to my shoulders. Franck's method results in locating the support and pressure to his hips which may translate to more stability for him. Hmmmmm ...

Lanning R. Hochhauser wrote:I looked at picture #5 and see that it is more in perspective, but it still looks like the grip protrudes beyond the wrist joint.

I agree, that's how it looks, but looks can be so deceptive.

In the next week he will be going through equipment control at the European Championships. I would bet good money that his grip will pass without a problem.