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Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:15 pm
by spektr
Are you the same William with a bunch of useful posts about a Vulcan cannon?
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If you hadn't noticed: The Vulcan posts, mine and I'm pretty sure everybody else's, were attempts at humor (with varying degrees of success). Or do you believe somebody here is really selling one? If that's the case, this may refresh your memory.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=62544
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OK How about a REAL one for sale, out of stock, but REALLY cool
https://www.evike.com/products/34905/
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:19 pm
by Gwhite
As long as we are being silly about miniguns, how about a rubber band firing version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBDN0oSgb4
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:41 pm
by lyoke2
I did order the Walther AP20 on eBay. Should be a good first step. Definitely can't complain about the price after my gift cards / coupons.
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:47 am
by Azmodan
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:07 am
by Rover
Coming soon to a dealer near you:
"Due to Government legislation (please see the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 Pt2 section 31-34) we can not deliver Air Weapons or Air Weapon parts (including Silencers/Moderators) direct to you for free (These have to be purchased in a face to face transaction) so there are three options if you would like to order this item from us, with each you MUST be able to present two valid forms of I.d. outlined at the bottom of the page."
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:32 pm
by seamaster
krale.shop carries many Artemis products.
email them to see if Krale.shop carry this new PP20.
shipping is quick and reasonable if they have it.
Looks like a good, very good pistol. Snow Peak is a former Walther/Chinese coop corporation. You can probably interchange parts of this pistol with Walther parts. Very good price, if Krale carries it.
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:55 am
by northpaw
The Artemis PP20, - some slight similarities to the Steyr LP 10? No? Made in China, I believe, a budget "copy". What to expect about the build quality?
No unbiased reviews available yet, but if may turn out to be a reliable gun, it may become an alternative to the IZZY 46 (the plinker/clunker..). The PP 20 weights 1100 grams, some more than the top match AP at present. But significantly less than the IZZY 46 M, which weights 2,86 lbs, a hefty 1300 grams.
https://www.amazon.com/IZH-46M-Match-Pi ... op?ie=UTF8
As ugly is it gets.
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:49 am
by Green_Canoe
northpaw wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:55 am
The Artemis PP20, - some slight similarities to the Steyr LP 10? No? Made in China, I believe, a budget "copy". What to expect about the build quality?
No unbiased reviews available yet, but if may turn out to be a reliable gun, it may become an alternative to the IZZY 46 (the plinker/clunker..). The PP 20 weights 1100 grams, some more than the top match AP at present. But significantly less than the IZZY 46 M, which weights 2,86 lbs, a hefty 1300 grams.
https://www.amazon.com/IZH-46M-Match-Pi ... op?ie=UTF8
As ugly is it gets.
Your IZH weights are a little off. Here's the results for two I actually put on the scales:
IZH-46 1090gr
IZH-46M 1170gr
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:46 pm
by -TT-
Green_Canoe wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:49 am
IZH-46 1090gr
IZH-46M 1170gr
And the new Air Venturi version:
AV-46M 1150g
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:27 am
by northpaw
Green_Canoe wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:49 am
Your IZH weights are a little off. Here's the results for two I actually put on the scales:
IZH-46 1090gr
IZH-46M 1170gr
Hey, man, I´m just refering to weights given at websites, as I do not own, and never will own, an Izzy 46.
A fancy red-laminated wood grip- does it make an ugly gun any better ? No.
This gun really is clumpsy, ungainly, and ugly. A clunker.
https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/air ... st-review/
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:28 am
by seamaster
Hey, man.
You must not have played with IZH 46M. It is a well designed, engineered, a force de resistance amongst aficionados. I had many years of fun with it. If you can shoot well with it, you can shoot well with any air pistol. A very robust, manly, pistol.
IF you read your cited review, it gave IZH 46M one of their highest award and praise.
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:56 am
by william
seamaster wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:28 am
Hey, man.
You must not have played with IZH 46M. It is a well designed, engineered, a force de resistance amongst aficionados. I had many years of fun with it. If you can shoot well with it, you can shoot well with any air pistol. A very robust, manly, pistol.
IF you read your cited review, it gave IZH 46M one of their highest award and praise.
But, but... it won't make you more attractive to the girls.
Seriously, if you're not a near-invalid, there's nothing wrong with the Izh. It's much like a T34, you know, the tank that won the war. Typically Russian - designed for a specific task, crude where it doesn't matter (like looks) and among the best in the world where it does.
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:24 am
by northpaw
seamaster wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:28 am
IZH 46M... If you can shoot well with it, you can shoot well with any air pistol.
Certainly.
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:24 am
by seamaster
Like a T34 : )
What an apt analogy ! Even the Germans agree that was the best in the world.
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:56 am
by Azmodan
PP20 in stock at Krale:
https://www.krale.shop/eu/artemis-pp20/ for 499 euros
but no actual review as of yet. a review from someone who has used a "real" 10m air pistol before and can note differences
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:02 am
by Ade C
Azmodan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:56 am
PP20 in stock at Krale:
https://www.krale.shop/eu/artemis-pp20/ for 499 euros
but no actual review as of yet. a review from someone who has used a "real" 10m air pistol before and can note differences
I only know of one person in the UK who has bought one. It's been returned twice due to regulator issues
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:09 am
by B Lafferty
spektr wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:15 pm
Are you the same William with a bunch of useful posts about a Vulcan cannon?
If you hadn't noticed: The Vulcan posts, mine and I'm pretty sure everybody else's, were attempts at humor (with varying degrees of success). Or do you believe somebody here is really selling one? If that's the case, this may refresh your memory.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=62544
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OK How about a REAL one for sale, out of stock, but REALLY cool
https://www.evike.com/products/34905/
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Be kind. A humor impaired life is a difficult life.........
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:16 am
by B Lafferty
seamaster wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:32 pm
krale.shop carries many Artemis products.
email them to see if Krale.shop carry this new PP20.
shipping is quick and reasonable if they have it.
Looks like a good, very good pistol. Snow Peak is a former Walther/Chinese coop corporation. You can probably interchange parts of this pistol with Walther parts. Very good price, if Krale carries it.
I would think that if anyone were to carry this pistol online here in the US it would be Pyramid Air. Not yet, however.
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:28 am
by B Lafferty
Another Artemis air pistol, the PP800, looks like one marketed under the Diana brand here in the US. Is that the reality?
Re: Starter Air Pistol
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:25 pm
by Web
I just moved up to a Steyr evo 10 compact after shooting my starter AP20 Pro for a year and just over 5000 trouble-free rounds. I love the evo, but highly recommend the AP20 Pro as a first 10-meter pistol.