TargetTalk

David Levene wrote:

RobStubbs wrote:

AAlex wrote:I thought 'sub-6' was derived from "6 o'clock"?

How can that make any sense - 6-O'clock is a line from 10 off the card straight down ?

Sorry Rob but I've always understood "sub 6" to be "below the 6 o'clock position on the black. In the same way, a "6 o'clock" hold is tight up against the bottom of the black.

Maybe you have David but I haven't and in coaching terms 'below the 6-ring' is a term easily understood by those being coached. As I say 6-O'clock is a line not point in space. If people want to use the 6 O'clock terminolgy then that's fine with them, but as the above illustrates that makes it complcated for beginners to fathom out what's being talked about. I'm all for keeping / making things simple and easy to understand - especially when coaching kids !

Rob.

RobStubbs wrote:As I say 6-O'clock is a line not point in space.

Then what do you understand as a 6 o'clock hold?

RobStubbs wrote:If people want to use the 6 O'clock terminolgy then that's fine with them, but as the above illustrates that makes it complcated for beginners to fathom out what's being talked about.

I never had problems getting beginners to understand that 6 o'clock is the bottom of the black and sub-6 is somewhere below that.

Never mind, same thing, different name.

Nothing about the 6 ring in the Target Shooting Canada article

Anonymous wrote:I tried to do the sub-six hold aiming at ~ 3 ring. But my shots just refuse to go up.

I am using Baikal 46m, I seems to have exhausted all my clicking elevation. I can do a sub-six airm at ~ 6 ring, but I can not get any lower. Seems to have exhausted all my clicks.

3 clicks/ ring. I dialed 10 clicks. The aim is still at 6 ring, not at 3 ring. What might be the problem? I hear the clicks, but I am not sure the elevation is exhausted or not. At what point do I exhaust elevation and have to re-center for elevation?

Some guns need a taller front sight in order to shoot sub-6. I don't know about the IZH. My Steyr LP10 and LP50 can adjust from center hold all the way to deep sub-6. My FWB needed a different front sight.

Steve T

AAlex wrote:I thought 'sub-6' was derived from "6 o'clock"?

Alex: I think you are perfectly right.

The official ISSF 25m and 50 m targets feature a black "sighter bull", where the other black ring is the 7-ring. Outside that the inner "white" ring is the 6-ring.
It is not difficult to imagine that other targets are in use, where the inner white ring is not the 6-ring....How about a six (ring)-o-clock aiming point then?

Six-o-clock hold just meens (to me) that you are aiming just below the black bull. The black bull appears "hovering" directly above your front blade.

A "sub-six-o-clock-hold" meens you are aiming somewhere lower "in the white", vertically under the balck bull.

The idea have never before stuck my mind, that "six-o-clock" hold could meen aiming in the 6-ring. Presumably in the 6-ring VERTICALLY under the black bull, that is.
:-)

When I started shooting Bullseye in 1972, all my peers explained holding
at the bottom of the bull was called "6 Oclock" hold. it made perfect sense
to me then; and still does. There could be provincial differences I guess.
Tony G