In the ISSF Centre Fire match I am shooting a Pardini HP (.32 S&W Long) and my normal score has been running in the range of 550 - 565. Lately I am having my scores ruined by unexpected 7's and sometimes 6's.
Now with the problems with the 7's my score is dropping (recently a 536), and I have been unable to determine why these shots are occurring. Recently a fellow club member, after watching me shoot, made the comment that when I take aim everything initially is OK but after a couple of seconds I begin to sway (something that I was not aware of), and generally it is during this period that I release the shot.
If anybody can advise on achieving and maintaining stability in my stance I would be glad to hear from you.
Maintaining a stable stance
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ausdiver99
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Maintaining a stable stance
Problem seems to occur only during the precision stage, rapid fire is OK.
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1/ check the accuracy of the pistol/ammunition combination, over say 100 shots, to eliminate this. You could be getting 'flyers' (dare I suggest, particularly with a .32).dazza wrote:In the ISSF Centre Fire match I am shooting a Pardini HP (.32 S&W Long) and my normal score has been running in the range of 550 - 565. Lately I am having my scores ruined by unexpected 7's and sometimes 6's.
Now with the problems with the 7's my score is dropping (recently a 536), and I have been unable to determine why these shots are occurring. Recently a fellow club member, after watching me shoot, made the comment that when I take aim everything initially is OK but after a couple of seconds I begin to sway (something that I was not aware of), and generally it is during this period that I release the shot.
If anybody can advise on achieving and maintaining stability in my stance I would be glad to hear from you.
2/ have you consulted a coach? QAPSA has an excellent coaching structure available.
Spencer
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deadeyedick
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Swaying [ within reason ] is not a problem if the sight alignment remains correct....but next time you shoot, check that you are not having a little mental lapse and loss of focus on the sight picture at, or just before shot release. With regards to Spencers comment about flyers...They are a distinct possibility....what ammo are you using ? I used a teflon coated projectile at one stage and experienced the same wild shots, even though I was convinced my technique was intact. It was the inconsistency of the coating that was the culprit. I returned to using Malcolm Bones wax coated Taipan projectiles [ Gympie ..Qld. ] and the problem vanished. I hope your solution is as easy as mine was.when I take aim everything initially is OK but after a couple of seconds I begin to sway (something that I was not aware of), and generally it is during this period that I release the shot
(Sorry Rob...)
In some 30 years of using .32S&W Long out to 50 yards, tumbling is not necessarily an indication of bad grouping.
Particularly at 25m, some of the best grouping .32 loads with 98gr hollow-base wadcutters have exhibited some tumbling.
We sometimes also get the same effect for .22LR - i.e. some of the best grouping ammunition has exhibited some tumbling.
Back in the days when T22 was 'good stuff' it often exhibited tumbling in European 25m pistols but gave good (great?) groups. This was a bummer for the scorers, but lack of reliable ignition and the resulting malfunctions soon saw it fall out of favour at competitions.
Spencer
In some 30 years of using .32S&W Long out to 50 yards, tumbling is not necessarily an indication of bad grouping.
Particularly at 25m, some of the best grouping .32 loads with 98gr hollow-base wadcutters have exhibited some tumbling.
We sometimes also get the same effect for .22LR - i.e. some of the best grouping ammunition has exhibited some tumbling.
Back in the days when T22 was 'good stuff' it often exhibited tumbling in European 25m pistols but gave good (great?) groups. This was a bummer for the scorers, but lack of reliable ignition and the resulting malfunctions soon saw it fall out of favour at competitions.
Spencer
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deadeyedick
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Many ballistics experts may find this confusing Spencer......it seems to contradict ballistics, physics and aerodynamics all at the same time.Sorry Rob...)
In some 30 years of using .32S&W Long out to 50 yards, tumbling is not necessarily an indication of bad grouping.
Particularly at 25m, some of the best grouping .32 loads with 98gr hollow-base wadcutters have exhibited some tumbling.
We sometimes also get the same effect for .22LR - i.e. some of the best grouping ammunition has exhibited some tumbling.
Back in the days when T22 was 'good stuff' it often exhibited tumbling in European 25m pistols but gave good (great?) groups. This was a bummer for the scorers, but lack of reliable ignition and the resulting malfunctions soon saw it fall out of favour at competitions.
Spencer
My personal experience with tumbling projectiles is more limited than yours apparently, but whenever I have used a load that was too slow, and evidence of tumbling was present, or as is the case at the moment within the club we have a Hi Standard .22 that is a chronic tumbler with any ammo ....the results are catastrophic with relation to accuracy.
Unless I'm wrong, the rifling is to produce spin, which provides a gyroscopic effect, and the required projectile stability needed to give repeatable accuracy. I would love to hear what others with more ballistics experience have to say about this.
Like I say my experience is limited, but I've seen it quite a few times, Where the shooters have a nice tight group of four shots in the middle with a 'nice' oval hole 3 or 4 scoring rings away.Spencer wrote:(Sorry Rob...)
In some 30 years of using .32S&W Long out to 50 yards, tumbling is not necessarily an indication of bad grouping.
Particularly at 25m, some of the best grouping .32 loads with 98gr hollow-base wadcutters have exhibited some tumbling.
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Spencer
Rob.
I have seen this too, in all pistol calibres. But, I have also seen consistently tight groups that also have tumbles.RobStubbs wrote:...Like I say my experience is limited, but I've seen it quite a few times, Where the shooters have a nice tight group of four shots in the middle with a 'nice' oval hole 3 or 4 scoring rings away.
Rob.
must agree that many (most) really bad pistol/ammo combinations will usually display tumbling, but some tumbling can be present with good groups.deadeyedick wrote:Many ballistics experts may find this confusing Spencer......it seems to contradict ballistics, physics and aerodynamics all at the same time.
My personal experience with tumbling projectiles is more limited than yours apparently, but whenever I have used a load that was too slow, and evidence of tumbling was present, or as is the case at the moment within the club we have a Hi Standard .22 that is a chronic tumbler with any ammo ....the results are catastrophic with relation to accuracy.
Unless I'm wrong, the rifling is to produce spin, which provides a gyroscopic effect, and the required projectile stability needed to give repeatable accuracy. I would love to hear what others with more ballistics experience have to say about this.
Spencer