Anyone used DISAG training system

[jer]

Have anyone used DISAG training device? It sounds like SCATT without cables.

http://www.stopper.de/product_info.php/ ... ainer.html

[David Levene]

I don't know whether they have changed the way they work but the early Disag units did not relate the gun position to the target. They merely had accelerometers which calculated the gun movement.

You could use a centre hold on one shot, followed by a sub-6 hold on the next, followed by a 12 o'clock hold on the next. Provided that you were steady and had a trigger release on each of the shots it gave the same result for all of them.

This was fine if all you were worried about was steadiness and trigger control, but it made no judgement on consistency of aim.

The latest systems may now take the target into account. It is difficult to tell from the information I have seen.

[Ed Hall]

This was fine if all you were worried about was steadiness and trigger control, but it made no judgement on consistency of aim.

Hmm... A device that measures the purity of the trigger operation without regard to the target...

Sounds like a great training device to me - an electronic, blank wall, dry fire trainer. I set my Rika up with a blank target for trigger training.** That way I can work with the concentricity of all the traces for the last bit of trigger application. Is the SAM actually dedicated to the same training I adjusted my Rika for? The price looks comparable to the Rika, but the Rika sounds like it has more capability if David Levene is correct. Still, sounds like a good training system, concentrating on what I consider the most important fundamental - trigger application.

**For anyone interested, I put a page up on my site about my Rika setup called Trigger Training with the Rika. It's not the only training I do with it, but it is a portion.

Take Care,
Ed Hall
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[solomon grundy]

I think that this version does attempt to determine the POI.


http://www.disag.de/download/manuals/sa ... ner-en.pdf

The sensor receives the infrared emissions from the target unit.

The evaluation of the IR signals in the sensor unit itself, provides the information as to how far and in which direction
the position of the sensor deviates from the two IR LEDs in the target unit.

The software calibrates the position of the sensor in relation to the position of the gun, in actual fact the sights on the gun, and the target centre (computerised alignment).

The release of a shot is picked up by an integrated accelerometer. As far as is possible with your own gun, you are recommended to use the dry firing trigger setting. It is not necessary to fire a live shot.

Sensor and receiver units communicate with each other over a bi-directional remote channel. Data travels over this channel in both directions.

[David Levene]

I think that this version does attempt to determine the POI.

That information does indeed show an update to the operating principle from the system I used. As such it is a totally different beast.