MG2 Troubles.. need some brainstorming

[ausdiver99]

Brian

I had the "hammer falling" problem with mine. The secondary release lever (part 2059) engagement with the release lever (part 2044) proved to be too fine. Part 2059 is long piece which heads down into the grip area. You can see the engagement in the circular opening in the photo.

Engagement depth seems to be adjusted with grub screw (incorrectly labelled 205 in my manual)


Cheers Pete

[Tycho]

I solved the hammer-fall on my MG2E by adjusting the small screw between the two rearward slide cover - holding screws. OTOH, three years ago the same symptom on the MG2 (M) was connected to the sear engagement first, and the grip angle second, so I wouldn't say that the same symptom was caused by the same problem...

I have the same ejection problem with my MG2E, on the last shot, too. I think it may be connected to the fact that there is no new cartridge on the cradle, and the ejector therefore does not have the same relative angle to the ejecting cartridge as under normal conditions. Don't care though, as long as it goes bang five times, I'll happily eject the last one by hand :-)

IMHO the biggest issue listed here is the slide not running well - something I've seen only on my factory prototype, but not on the serial guns. I would put the emphasis of troubleshooting on that, there has to be a reason for it. I would be surprised if the dimensions were wrong (even an Italian one man show usually gets that right), but it's very possible that some of the moving parts got stuck or damaged...

[ausdiver99]

Hi Brian

I'll ask my gunsmith what he did to fix the hammer fall but he did mention the levers I pointed out. Tycho has addressed the engagement within the strap.

Tycho, If you have a careful look at my photo you'll see my frame has scuff marks from the slide (they are on both sides), mine is 1200 range serial.

But she shoots real sweetly and (touch wood) I haven't had any hassles for a little while!

[Tycho]

Another one could be the triggerstop - I just remembered - when I got the first MG2, I adjusted the triggerstop far in, so I could "pull through" like I was used to from my 607, but that gave me a machine pistol...

[ColinC]

I have never seen a pistol discussed as much as the MG-2. And most of the discussion seems to be around how to fix problems.
To me it seems that these are magnificent guns when they work but expensive paperweights most of the time unless you have the time and knowhow to tinker with the insides.

[Tycho]

Go back to your 208.

[deleted1]

I have never seen a pistol discussed as much as the MG-2. And most of the discussion seems to be around how to fix problems.
To me it seems that these are magnificent guns when they work but expensive paperweights most of the time unless you have the time and knowhow to tinker with the insides.

Boy you certainly hit the proverbial nail on the head. I personally would love to have a "good" one but the world is flooded with the crap that MG puts out in most of the MG2's. I won't go through my fun with the MG2 because I didn't own it but for week when I was refunded my money by Don Nygord in an agreement with whoever the hell is in charge of MG. I know I will get an e-mail from MG still trying to talk me into buying another (fogeddaboudit). What's happening is MG is using the (unfortunate) owners (sufferers) to do their R&D for them. Nice work when you get somebody to buy your expensive product and then they suffer with an expensive paperweight trying (because they have an investment in an expensive piece of #$%%#) to salvage their money. Frankly we have some lawyers on this forum and why they don't choose to take MG into the courts pro-bono and help out these many unfortunate owners. I know there are those with guns that function like intended, I got some sales pitch from Nygord (RIP) and went for the bucks---I loved all the gun offered except it couldn't fire three rounds in succession without jams that required disassembly to clear. 'Nuff said on the matter, I do not understand why people still buy the gun with all what has been written on this forum alone.

[Guest]

PRO BONO !!!! Do you have any idea what it costs to investigate, file, litigate a consumer lawsuit involving a firearm made in a foreign country??

Bob, you're doing the same thing MG is doing - expecting someone else to do the work for you at their own expense.

F. Paul in Denver

[Tycho]

You think that's going to get better? Series get smaller all the time, the market shrinks, R&D budgets too. Look at the SSP - 3 years of testing, and still lots of work to do. The times of the 208 are past...

[julioalperi]

A close friend of mine has got the very same problem with his new ( two months old s/n 2232 MG2). He gets also some jams somewhere in the middle of a string, whitch is more worrysome. Oddly enough my three months old MG2 s/n 2233 is performing flawlesly, It shoots everything. tried 8 brands of cheap ammo, from CCI SV ( Av= 889 fps ) to Eley Target Pistol ( Av= 945 fps) giving not a single problem.

[Richard H]

I have never seen a pistol discussed as much as the MG-2. And most of the discussion seems to be around how to fix problems.
To me it seems that these are magnificent guns when they work but expensive paperweights most of the time unless you have the time and knowhow to tinker with the insides.

Boy you certainly hit the proverbial nail on the head. I personally would love to have a "good" one but the world is flooded with the crap that MG puts out in most of the MG2's. I won't go through my fun with the MG2 because I didn't own it but for week when I was refunded my money by Don Nygord in an agreement with whoever the hell is in charge of MG. I know I will get an e-mail from MG still trying to talk me into buying another (fogeddaboudit). What's happening is MG is using the (unfortunate) owners (sufferers) to do their R&D for them. Nice work when you get somebody to buy your expensive product and then they suffer with an expensive paperweight trying (because they have an investment in an expensive piece of #$%%#) to salvage their money. Frankly we have some lawyers on this forum and why they don't choose to take MG into the courts pro-bono and help out these many unfortunate owners. I know there are those with guns that function like intended, I got some sales pitch from Nygord (RIP) and went for the bucks---I loved all the gun offered except it couldn't fire three rounds in succession without jams that required disassembly to clear. 'Nuff said on the matter, I do not understand why people still buy the gun with all what has been written on this forum alone.

The American answer to all your problems "SUE THEM", maybe you can tag some other things on there like the loss of enjoyment that your family had with you because you were so angry with your pistol. Maybe you can talk to the judge with the $50 000 000 pants, I'm sure he could give you some pointers.



I could understand if the the company just walked away but thats not the case, they are actively fixing problems, what more do you want. Should they just shut their doors? I would much rather have them working on the pistols instead of defending themselves in lawsuits.

My understanding is this is the main reason you can't buy a Tesro in North America.

[ausdiver99]

But, like all things Italian, when they work, oh boy :-) My brother had a Ducati years ago and it was the same...Hopefully Norm has mine sorted now, my standard score improved 50 points the last 2 comps, albeit from a low base!

Everyone in Melbourne who has tried mine this past 3 years loves it. FWB AW93's have been around for years and yet a friend had plenty of troubles with his when he bought it. More competition, fewer shooters and we see the results in reliability I think. I know another competitor who has just returned his new model Pardini .32 because it will not feed or extract reliably, even with new brass.

Colin, next time we bump into each other you have have a go, just so long as you dont use any of that Eley brown :-)

Cheers

Pete (Yarra)

[deleted1]

F. Paul I was just in a jesting mood knowing you are an attorney. As to my friend, Richard in Guelph, we Americans are an overly litigious society but in the long run you have to count the number of shooters who have been hosed (IMHO) by MG. If the only recourse is to "SUE" than sue it is, or do you as a country believe in the adage of shrug your shoulders and continue to get kicked in the a$$ or spit in the face???? Once again IMHO, I feel that MG has to feel the pinch instead of hiding in Europe and laughing up their sleeves and rolling in the money at someone's expense. I cannot stand people, whose desire is to sit back and bemuse themselves at the expense of others, with a limp backbone. My last words on the matter and just my feelings alone.

[Richard H]

F. Paul I was just in a jesting mood knowing you are an attorney. As to my friend, Richard in Guelph, we Americans are an overly litigious society but in the long run you have to count the number of shooters who have been hosed (IMHO) by MG. If the only recourse is to "SUE" than sue it is, or do you as a country believe in the adage of shrug your shoulders and continue to get kicked in the a$$ or spit in the face???? Once again IMHO, I feel that MG has to feel the pinch instead of hiding in Europe and laughing up their sleeves and rolling in the money at someone's expense. I cannot stand people, whose desire is to sit back and bemuse themselves at the expense of others, with a limp backbone. My last words on the matter and just my feelings alone.

I wouldn't say its just Americans that are litigious its seems to be catching on here too. No like I said in my post if they were doing nothing then it would be reasonable, but they have been and continue to make fixes they don't seem to be just denying the problem. Unforutnately lots of new guns through the ages have had problems and it takes time to work them out, take the M16, those problems got worked out in the middle of a war while lifes depended on it (not a good idea at all). I for one appreciate the early adoptors of any new gun as they really do all us shooters a great service by putting the gun through its paces in the real world which unfortunately isn't totally possible in the R&D stages. That said I wouldn't counsel anyone who doesn't have another pistol and lots of experience to get one (its not the best first pistol for someone). The MG is a pretty complicated piece of machinery, have you watched those slow motion videos of it in action, lots going on. Unforunately the distance and government red tape (importing firearm parts and such) make the support of the psitol in North America (US and Canada) difficult too.

I can also understand someones disappointment in it not working too, it is a lot of money.

[ausdiver99]

Richard, can you post a link to the sloMo videos? I have some of mine being shot but they are not close ups of the action.

Thanks

Pete

[Tycho]

Yeah, well, we see how many new competition grade target pistols are developed in US of A... Besides, what do you mean by "hiding in Europe"? With your laws, you should let off the fireworks every time somebody decides to export to the States, and the European market for this kind of pistols is several times larger than the US... And, as I've said on several occasions before, there is "Cesare" written on the MG2, which should be warning enough for everyone!! Brilliant designer, but believes "serial production" to be a breakfast cereal...

[Fortitudo Dei]

... we Americans are an overly litigious society but in the long run you have to count the number of shooters who have been hosed (IMHO) by MG. If the only recourse is to "SUE" than sue it is, or do you as a country believe in the adage of shrug your shoulders and continue to get kicked in the a$$ or spit in the face???? Once again IMHO, I feel that MG has to feel the pinch instead of hiding in Europe and laughing up their sleeves and rolling in the money at someone's expense.

Rolling in money??? These European specialists are small-time affairs operating out of small factories. Unlike US factories, they do not produce 9mm or .45's as cash cows in a hungry civilian market with the possibility of a government contract on the side. Even a "large" ISSF manufacturing specialist (say Feinwerkbau) is a minnow compared to just about any US based manufacturer. Whilst I agree that the MG2 was released onto the market with far too many bugs, don't think that suing MG would lead to a higher chance of a totally reliable MG2. A more likely scenario would be that they would be driven to bankruptcy and / or they would completely withdraw from the market.

[davidInOttawa]

I've written about this before.. but it might be useful again.

I bought my MG2 based on an excellent experience trying out Mark Briggs' MG2 at our local club in Ottawa. It felt GREAT! Coming from air pistol I appreciated the lower recoil, and the excellent trigger. I bought an MG2 with a Rinke grip from our local dealer.

It jammed every 3 or 4 rounds. It was bursting cases... I was devastated.. I could not use it in a competition.

But.. I was lucky. I bought it from a reputable dealer, who supports his community, and I had local support from other knowledgable owners within my own club.

I discovered that my Rinke grip was partially blocking the ejector port (causing the most unusual jams!!!)... sanded that down.. problem solved.
My local dealer brought a new barrel/slide/extractor in from Match Guns (they replaced it, no charge... new barrel, not milled down).. and that has solved the burst casing problem (and most likely some of the jamming).

My serial number is in the 15xx range.. and the MG2 already had the rubber buffer installed.

I shot tonight with Lapua Club... a couple hundred rounds went through at both slow fire, and rapid fire. No jams. I haven't had a jam in about three months.. only 1 or 2 since the new barrel. Probably 700+ rounds through it in that time.

So .. maybe I'm lucky.. but I'm glad I had a good local dealer, and the support of a manufacturer that is both innovating, and trying to help its customers.

I can't say I didn't wish it worked perfectly out of the box, but I am very happy with it now, and glad that it didn't take a lawyer to get Match Guns to fix my problems. Everything was solved in less than a month.

I won't be surpised to see this pistol showing up in the world cups leading up to 2012. It will be a very mature product by then..

In the meantime.. everyone at my club can attest to the fact that it shoots WAY better than me :-)

Cheers,

David

[Mark Briggs]

Just a quick note here to bring things back to reality... The originator of this thread is a personal friend, so I have more than a passing knowledge of the difficulties he's encountered. He has opened this thread in hopes of sharing knowledge, and many of the inital posts have followed that goal admirably. Through the magic of the internet medium, many can learn from the experiences of a relatively few, and with minimal delay.

Now let's get back to the nuts and bolts of the problem and leave the politics out of it, please!

The originator of this thread purchased his MG-2 after shooting both of mine, which function flawlessly. He obviously has the expectation that his should be able to function as well as mine do (OK, he'll never get scores as good as mine, but that's a different story! LoL) Let's help get his pistol's performance up to where it should be.

[Guest]

It jammed every 3 or 4 rounds. It was bursting cases... I was devastated.. I could not use it in a competition.

Yes. same problem here. Was not allowed to fire my MG2 during my clubs regular excersises, after repeated case bursts....

My local dealer brought a new barrel/slide/extractor in from Match Guns (they replaced it, no charge... new barrel, not milled down).. and that has solved the burst casing problem (and most likely some of the jamming).

As I wrote in a previous post, two of us got new slides, but re-milled barrels(!) Barrels that were too short, hence did not extend fully rearward. As a result from this the hammer had to move further forward to hit the cartridge rim. Unreliabel ignitions, in addidion to the usual unreliable feeding/ejection. Ummph...

My gun is in the 14xx range.

Both guns (mine, and the importers personal specimen) have just been returned to the MG-factory. Hopefully, they will arrive in working order.

Despite all the troubles, during two and a half years, I still believe that some sunny day, my MG2 will become troublefree. (That hope is slowly fading, though...)