50m Air Pistol!

JulianY · Post by **JulianY** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:33 am

Looking through the Bisley rules I came across this;

Competition 14 ISSF 50 metre pistol (free pistol)
14.1 Rule Authority - ISSF Rules will apply, as per the current ISSF rulebook
14.1.1. There will be NO clothing or formal equipment control, but competitors will be expected to conform to the spirit of the ISSF rules, such that no advantage may be gained from their clothes
14.2 Firearms permitted - .22 calibre ‘long arm’ or .22 air pistols may be used, as permitted by s.1 Firearms Act.

Has any one heard of a 50m .22 Air pistol ? What are they using?

JY

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:03 am

Julian did you just get a bunch of rulebooks :)

There are .22 caliber air pistols (and rifles).

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:08 am

JulianY wrote: Has any one heard of a 50m .22 Air pistol ? What are they using?

I'd be amazed if anybody actually tried it, but stand to be corrected. I doubt if they could hold their own against a 22LR Longarm/Free Pistol at 50m.

pgfaini · Post by **pgfaini** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:38 am

David Levene wrote:
JulianY wrote: Has any one heard of a 50m .22 Air pistol ? What are they using?
I'd be amazed if anybody actually tried it, but stand to be corrected. I doubt if they could hold their own against a 22LR Longarm/Free Pistol at 50m.

DEFINITLY not outdoors!!!

Paul

JulianY · Post by **JulianY** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:39 pm

Richard H wrote:Julian did you just get a bunch of rulebooks :)

There are .22 caliber air pistols (and rifles).

:)) You might think so ... But no I was searching for some information/specs on the "long arm" for the wiki and google pulled it up.

Actual the ISSF specify 22lr for 50m Pistol but I guess this would be acceptable in the UK under their laws. but a 12 fl/lb air rifle would have trouble being accurate at that distance ( notif the FAC requiremend). but I have never hear of such a power full airpistol.

I have seen the Germans selling 9mm pellets! but I have never seen the gun. nor one for offer !

JY

jrmcdaniel · Post by **jrmcdaniel** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:55 pm

Field Target shooters in the UK regularly shoot at 50M outdoors with 12fpe rifles and do so very accurately albeit with .177 pellets. In the US, we limit power to 20fpe and shoot to 55 yards -- even so, UK shooters have been known to win on this side of the "pond."

The length of the barrel is not a factor except in efficiency so a pistol should work.

Joe McDaniel
DIFTA Match Director

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:10 pm

jrmcdaniel wrote:The length of the barrel is not a factor except in efficiency so a pistol should work.

The problem is though that we are limited to 6fpe on air pistols. Above that and they require firearm certificates so would have to comply with the same stupid dimension requirements that we have for free pistols. That means 300mm barrels and 600mm overall length minimums. Those dimensions exclude anything that can non-destructively be removed.

Another problem is that they would have needed to be originally manufactured to those dimensions as once a firearm (which includes air guns) has achieved "prohibited" status it can only be converted to "de-activated" status. Conversion to "licenceable" status is not possible.

pgfaini · Post by **pgfaini** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:07 pm

jrmcdaniel wrote:Field Target shooters in the UK regularly shoot at 50M outdoors with 12fpe rifles and do so very accurately albeit with .177 pellets. In the US, we limit power to 20fpe and shoot to 55 yards -- even so, UK shooters have been known to win on this side of the "pond."

The length of the barrel is not a factor except in efficiency so a pistol should work.

Joe McDaniel
DIFTA Match Director

I wouldn't even hazard a guess as to the ballistic coefficient of the pellets we use. I've seen, in catalogs, solid headed .177 pellets on the style of the 5mm Sheridan pellets, which have better sectional density, but I can't see even these being able to buck a wind of any sort, out to 50M. I believe they're made for hunting and plinking, not target

Paul

mjmarz · Post by **mjmarz** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:24 pm

In reviewing this, The Crosman skanaker comes to mind. The pistol, which is really modeled after a free pistol in many ways has been converted by some into 22 calibre for use in field meets. To convert, a new barrel is inserted in place of the old. That seems fairly straight forward. If one were to do so, what pellet, and what barrel twist would one choose to optimize accuracy at that distance. The ap as it stands is noted for being a bit too powerful so maybe there is potential in this piece for such an application. It already has appropriate grips, sights, and balance. Mac 1,(Tim McHenry) I believe. has done work in this area, I wonder what his read is on this? Any thoughts?

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