Training proceedure.

[darticus]

Now I get it! just repeat and concentrate on the sites!Great! Thanks

[Ted Bell]

A derivation has either a metal template with a hole in the middle (misses provide immediate feedback) and/or a metal center (hits provide immediate feedback).
Steve

Anyone know what a minimum guage/thickness of steel is needed to stop a .22lr at 25 meters to make one of these templates?

Thanks,
Ted

[David Levene]

Anyone know what a minimum guage/thickness of steel is needed to stop a .22lr at 25 meters to make one of these templates?

Although it probably wasn't stated, I am certain that the original post (and probably most of the answers) were relating to 10m Air Pistol.

I personally wouldn't rely on any target equipment to stop a .22LR. Thats the job of a properly constructed bullet catcher/stop.

I have seen 1/4" plate used to make falling targets for .22 but that was for a quicker "non-precision" (if there is such a thing) type of match. Having seen the damage that reasonable shooters did in quite a short space of time I wouldn't think it would be sufficient for slow-fire deliberate shooting. Use whatever thickness you would use if constructing a bullet stop for prone rifle, 1/4" plus a 1/4" sacrificial plate?

[Steve Swartz]

Ted:

Dittos what David said. I have seen this for AP only. I think (based on my exp[erience with falling plates/IPSC/IDPA) that using the system for .22LR would result in a quite a bit of splash-back, even as far out as 25m.

Not sure it would be safe for anything but AP . . .

Steve Swartz

[Fred Mannis]

A derivation has either a metal template with a hole in the middle (misses provide immediate feedback) and/or a metal center (hits provide immediate feedback).
Steve

Anyone know what a minimum guage/thickness of steel is needed to stop a .22lr at 25 meters to make one of these templates?

Thanks,
Ted

Even though your objective is not to hit the steel (too often), I would think something like 1/4" if you want it to last a while. This based on the little silhouettes set up at 50 yd at my club range.

[Ted Bell]

Ted:

Dittos what David said. I have seen this for AP only. I think (based on my exp[erience with falling plates/IPSC/IDPA) that using the system for .22LR would result in a quite a bit of splash-back, even as far out as 25m.

Not sure it would be safe for anything but AP . . .

Steve Swartz

Good point - might have to rethink this one. Thanks everyone for the safety advice.

-Ted

[Ed Hall]

Actually, the more positive approach is to use a spinner target the size of the black. That way you are rewarded for hits with sounds and actions. You can buy spinner targets from a lot of different sources. Here's the first pick I got from Googling for target spinners:

http://www.birchwoodcasey.com/sport/tar ... &subcat=13

Three up from the bottom looks like a good choice, although I would get rid of the orange in favor of black. I would then place a full target sheet behind it backside out to give it more of the look of a regular target.

Take Care,
Ed Hall
http://www.airforceshooting.org/
http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/

[jrmcdaniel]

What you are proposing is the same as what is used in field target (http://www.aafta.org). In FT we have a limit of 20fpe to reduce damage to the targets -- the far lower power of typical target pistols and rifles would allow for a near-infinite life of the targets.

The least expensive version (and of excellent quality, oddly enough) are the Gamo targets. They can be purchased for about $20 at Bass Pro, Cabela's, etc. If the "kill zone" hole is too large, there is a company that makes a reducer or, with a bit of work, a fender washer and some screws will certainly work for target rifle or pistol energies.

We shoot as close as 10 yards. Actually, the higher energies we typically use are an advantage in that the pellets basically vaporize when they hit. I don't think the lower engery pellets for target equipment would be a problem even at 10 yards.
Best,

Joe McDaniel
DIFTA Match Director
http://www.damascusiwla.org