NRA rulebook for 10meter air pistol?

MSC · Post by **MSC** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:18 pm

Getting ready to shoot in a league next month and I was told they go by NRA rules. This is the closest I could find. Is this correct?

"NRA International Style Pistol (Includes Air) Rules"

Guess the "International" throws me...

Thanks for replies!

TomF · Post by **TomF** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:26 pm

That is correct.

So what is it that is confusing?

MSC · Post by **MSC** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:07 pm

Guess I just think of 10meter pistol and International as being different. Kind of like Bullseye and International in firearms.

Also, I could swear I saw an NRA 10 meter pistol rulebook at some point. Apparently not.

Anyhow, thanks for the quick reply. I'll order the book.

TomF · Post by **TomF** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:44 pm

The "M" should be a dead giveaway that it is an international sport. LOL!

There is a minor discrepancy since the book says targets are shot at "10 meters(33 feet)", and 10 meters = 32.808399 feet.

Maybe the UN will make NFL change the field to meters instead of yards.

Fred Mannis · Post by **Fred Mannis** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:45 pm

There are some differences between NRA and ISSF rules for 10M AP. Two that come to mind: the NRA allows the use of a scope on the bench, ISSF does not. NRA is much more liberal in the size of blinders and use of a hat.

Fred

Ray Odle · Post by **Ray Odle** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:20 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but USAS rules allows spotting scopes for use on the B40/4 target. Wouldn't it be unfair if they didn't?
Electonic targets and target carriers nullify the need for a spotting scope.

Ray

Fred Mannis · Post by **Fred Mannis** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:04 pm

Ray,
See ISSF 2005 edition sec 8.4.10.1 The use of telescopes not attached to the pistol to loacate shots or to judge the wind is permitted for 25m and 50m events only.

I assume USAS rules are the same as ISSF?

Fred

TomF · Post by **TomF** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:11 pm

I was not aware that there were any 25m and 50m air pistol events.

Are you sure this rule applies to AP?

THanks!

Fred Mannis · Post by **Fred Mannis** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:09 pm

Tom,
This is the section of the rule book that applies to pistol competition, firearms as well as air pistol. AP events are shot at 10M, while firearm events are shot at 25M and 50M.

Fred

Ed Hall · Post by **Ed Hall** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:57 am

There are additions in the USAS rules to allow for different range and target standards:

6.3.15.3

10 m ranges must be equipped with electric-mechanical target carriers or changers, or Electronic Scoring Targets.

USA
6.3.15.3A

USA Shooting sanctioned competitions may be shot on ranges with electric or manual target carriers or fixed multiple bull targets adjustable for height.

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8.4.10.1 Spotting Telescopes

The use of telescopes not attached to the pistol to locate shots or judge the wind is permitted for 25 m and 50 m events only.

USA
8.4.10.1A

The use of telescopes not attached to the pistol to locate shots or judge the wind is permitted for all pistol events.

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Take Care,
Ed Hall
http://www.airforceshooting.org/
http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/

Fred Mannis · Post by **Fred Mannis** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:17 am

Ed, thank you for the clarification.

I have been unable to download the USAS Pistol Rules from their site, it always arrives corrupted. :(.

Fred

Ed Hall · Post by **Ed Hall** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:15 pm

Hi Fred,

I don't seem to have any trouble here; I just checked. Are you able to open the files in place by just clicking on them? If so, maybe you can then use Acrobat's Save File to copy it to disk. (Actually, if you get it to open properly in Inernet Explorer, you'll have a copy in the Temp Files.) If you'd like, I can send them via email to your address shown at the bottom of your message. Let me know...

Just for kicks see if these open from the below links:

http://www.usashooting.com/rulebook/200 ... sRules.pdf
http://www.usashooting.com/rulebook/200 ... lRules.pdf
http://www.usashooting.com/rulebook/200 ... lRules.pdf

Take Care,
Ed Hall
http://www.airforceshooting.org/
http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/

Fred Mannis · Post by **Fred Mannis** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:33 pm

Ed,
No trouble downloading from your links. I must have done something wrong when I tried to download from the USAS site.

Thanks again,

Fred

Jerry LeVan · Post by **Jerry LeVan** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:21 pm

Just out of curiosity, what is the rational for not allowing spotting scopes in
10 meter air events?

Jerry

Spencer C · Post by **Spencer C** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:00 am

Jerry LeVan wrote:Just out of curiosity, what is the rational for not allowing spotting scopes in
10 meter air events?

Jerry

1/ who needs a scope for 10M (if you are shooting to ISSF rules)?
On paper targets you wind the target back and collect it after each competition shot (I am not aware of any ISSF championship using fanfold targets for 10M); if on EST the monitor will be more accurate than the scope, and quicker

2/ there is not enough space on a 10M bay if the shooters use scopes. There are those who will argue that they are different cause they only use itty-bitty scopes that take up soooo little space that there is no problem; but in practice it ain't so - in any case, see 1 above...

Regards,
Spencer C

TomF · Post by **TomF** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:42 pm

I would guess that the vast majority of shooters in the USA do not shoot using ISSF rules. Most are proably NRA rules.

There is plenty of room for a scope if you use the right mount. Just as there is plenty of room if you use all the appropriate equipment. Even with target carrier controls at our club there is sufficient room for a small tripod, pellet box, and pistol.

Most competitors at our club just use the target carrier to see their shot holes. They just pull the target away from the back stop enough to let light through the holes, then send them back to the stop.

IPshooter · Post by **IPshooter** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:20 pm

The USAS rule allowing scopes is in effect for two reasons:

1. USAS allows multiple shots per AP target.

2. Some clubs do not have target carriers.

In both instances, the use of a scope is totally reasonable.