How to get to the Olympics
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How to get to the Olympics
Hey its Lauren I am a fellow shooter that has big goals and who has her sights set high. I know most of this Forum is made of Coachs so I want to know what you think it takes and if you know what does it take to get there !! Thanks So MUCH!!! - Lauren
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Re: How to get to the Olympics
I don't know why you have that idea Lauren.ShootinBarbieJr wrote:I know most of this Forum is made of Coachs
Sure, some of the more prolific posters are coaches but the vast majority of people here are "just" enthusiastic serious shooters.
Whilst the normal view is that shooters learn from their coaches, what is frequently forgotten is that good coaches learn from their shooters. What is important, and this is where this forum excels, is that there is a wide exchange of views.
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Resources are for all to use.
Wanting to and knowing how to, are two different things. Your poll misleads away from your question.
Shooters who know of what they speak, and can tell others succinctly, make the most excellent coaches.
Those who share, teach. Those who listen, learn. Both can happen at the same time. Examples abound in these fora.
Shoot, listen, coach. Repeat as needed. Focus on the task. do not get attracted to the shiny objects, like the magpie does. If you don't know the basics, you cannot be saved by fancy equipment.
Do.
Shooters who know of what they speak, and can tell others succinctly, make the most excellent coaches.
Those who share, teach. Those who listen, learn. Both can happen at the same time. Examples abound in these fora.
Shoot, listen, coach. Repeat as needed. Focus on the task. do not get attracted to the shiny objects, like the magpie does. If you don't know the basics, you cannot be saved by fancy equipment.
Do.
Re: How to get to the Olympics
Lauren,
It appears to me that you are trying to 'poll' as to how much effort you must put into the shooting discipline in order to 'make the Olympics'. May I just say that you will never 'make the Olympics' by comparing how many hours different competitors have invested into training. The competitors who have 'learned how to learn' and have maximized their available time and resources will succeed. These individuals make the dedication to train (in the purest sense of the word) in order to refine their skills to the finest edge possible in order to compete at the world level.
The question you must ask yourself is this: How much am I willing to invest (of myself) to become a world class athlete? Are you training at least 4-5 hours per day? If not, then you should consider sacrificing the other 'fun' things that are interfering with the available training hours.
One does not just 'make the Olympics', rather they have experienced many defeats and successes along the way. It is not as easy as pie as many who made it there will attest to.
Train wisely in order that you learn to learn.
Matt
It appears to me that you are trying to 'poll' as to how much effort you must put into the shooting discipline in order to 'make the Olympics'. May I just say that you will never 'make the Olympics' by comparing how many hours different competitors have invested into training. The competitors who have 'learned how to learn' and have maximized their available time and resources will succeed. These individuals make the dedication to train (in the purest sense of the word) in order to refine their skills to the finest edge possible in order to compete at the world level.
The question you must ask yourself is this: How much am I willing to invest (of myself) to become a world class athlete? Are you training at least 4-5 hours per day? If not, then you should consider sacrificing the other 'fun' things that are interfering with the available training hours.
One does not just 'make the Olympics', rather they have experienced many defeats and successes along the way. It is not as easy as pie as many who made it there will attest to.
Train wisely in order that you learn to learn.
Matt
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Patrick Haynes
Planning Your Training - Big Post, Hopefully Useful
Hi Lauren.
Let's re-phrase your goal and replace "make the Olympics" with "becoming an accomplished international shooter." The Olympics may be a defining moment in your shooting career; but, it is one of many international matches that you will attend. Let's focus on the big picture that will ultimately get you to the Olympics.
What do you need to do? What is the plan? Well, I've heard that it takes about 5 years to develop an international shooter. From what I've seen, this sounds right. Now, this is not just 5 years in isolation. This figure assumes that the athlete is working both hard and smart in their training, that they have access to a knowledgable coach, and they have the resources (facilities, equipment and competitive opportunities) to foster thier growth. An active lifestyle which promotes muscle tone and aerobic endurance is necessary. Sound application of mental skills (activation control, visualization, positive mental attitude, confidence, etc.) is absolutely critical. Planning skills and the using appropriate match tactics makes the difference as well.
Does this answer your question? Probably not. There is no one answer. Each athlete comes to the range in unique circumstances. They could be technically proficient but physically unprepared or not mentally tough. Conversely, they may be a motivated, strong individual with a solid work ethic, but their hold is substandard.
You need to put in time, at the range, in the gym and "in your head." Throughout the year, you'll need about 2 days a week just to maintain your current skill level, 3 days to promote some growth and 5 days seems to be optimal for growing as an advanced shooter. Warning: 7 days a week in the range for many weeks of hard training will result in performance degradation. This will be due to physical damage to your body or more often, mental fatigue (burnout.) You need time from the range to recharge through physical activities, reconnecting with family and friends (having a life!) and working on the mental side of your game. You'll vary intensity, frequency and volume in your training dependant upon where you are in the year.
This is all well and good. How do you implement this? Well, first thing, break down your goals, based upon a realistic (neither starry-eyed nor negative) assessment of where your game is today. Fit this into the context of where you are careerwise, academically and socially. Remember: you have limited time, and if you are interested in pursuing an advanced degree in engineering, then that will consume alot of your time, which in turn pulls from your training time.
Once you have a clear idea of your goals (physical, technical, performance outcomes and mental) in the context of your life, start building a quadrennial plan. The quadrennial plan will be somewhat open ended at this stage: essentially, where do you want to be in 4 years. Then, determine a series of outcomes you need to hit between now and then to achieve your goal. These can include winning the Nationals, improving your equipment, relocating to a city where you will have access to better facilities and coaches. Jot down the milestones you must achieve over the four years to reach your goal. This is your personal roadmap.
Now, you're ready to develop your annual plan. It will start with where you are today and position you to achieve all of the milestones mentioned in the first year of the quadrennial plan. These milestones then will be put into the context of the periods (Preparation, Competition and Transition) within the year. Each period is further subdivided, having different goals which, once again, foster growth.
Here's an overview of how to design an annual training plan, as detailed by Istvan Balyi Ph.D.and Alain Marion M.Sc. in "Designing an Annual Training and Competition Plan: a Step by Step Approach" (September, 1998).
Step 1: Determine the Demands of the Event
Step 2: Assess the Athlete(s) or the Team
Step 3: Evaluate last year's program:
- Training/preparation
- Performance
- Summary: strength of the former year’s program
- Summary: weaknesses of the former year’s program
Step 4: Set general goals and objectives for the new program
- Performance objective(s)
- Training objective (s)
Step 5: Identify the Events of new Program
- Calendar planning
- Optimize competition selection
- Identify training camps of the new program and their duration
- Identify sport science and medicine evaluation sessions of the new program
- Identify school dates that may have an impact on athlete(s)/ team preparation
Step 6: Determine the type of Periodization used in your program
Step 7: Determine the duration of the Competition Period(s)
Step 8: Determine the duration of the Transition period(s)
Step 9: Determine the duration of the Preparation period(s)
Step 10: Determine the Phases of each Period of your program
- Phases of the Competition Period(s)
- Pre-competition Phase of the Preparation Period (PCP)
- Specific Phase of the Preparation Period (SPC)
- General Phase of the Preparation Period (GPP)
- Phases of each Transition Period
Step 11: Determine the importance of key performance factors throughout the plan
Step 12: Determine the expected progression of the workload throughout the plan
Step 13: Re-assess previous Steps using
- Retrospective analysis of the former years of training and performance
- Testing and monitoring session prior to planning
- Sport-, event- or position-specific normative data
Step 14: Determine the Meso and Microcycle Planning structure of the plan
- Insert Mesocycles in the Phases of your annual plan
- Re-evaluate Mesocycle distribution from the point of view of calendar events
- Finalize Mesocycle distribution
- Adjust progression curves, if necessary
- Indicate the theme and loading pattern of the Microcycles of the first Mesocycle
Step 15: Design the training sessions of the first Microcycle
Write down how things went during the year. How did the plan work? Did you meet your goals? Could you have planned better? Was it too easy or too hard? This is all important, as it gives you the necessary feedback to plan subsequent year's annual plan.
Okay, I rambled, but you asked a very open ended question. I hope that you can get something out of it.
Patrick Haynes
htp://www.targetshooting.ca
NRA/USA Shooting Certified Advanced International Pistol Coach
(Visit my Training and Downloads section for more information)
Let's re-phrase your goal and replace "make the Olympics" with "becoming an accomplished international shooter." The Olympics may be a defining moment in your shooting career; but, it is one of many international matches that you will attend. Let's focus on the big picture that will ultimately get you to the Olympics.
What do you need to do? What is the plan? Well, I've heard that it takes about 5 years to develop an international shooter. From what I've seen, this sounds right. Now, this is not just 5 years in isolation. This figure assumes that the athlete is working both hard and smart in their training, that they have access to a knowledgable coach, and they have the resources (facilities, equipment and competitive opportunities) to foster thier growth. An active lifestyle which promotes muscle tone and aerobic endurance is necessary. Sound application of mental skills (activation control, visualization, positive mental attitude, confidence, etc.) is absolutely critical. Planning skills and the using appropriate match tactics makes the difference as well.
Does this answer your question? Probably not. There is no one answer. Each athlete comes to the range in unique circumstances. They could be technically proficient but physically unprepared or not mentally tough. Conversely, they may be a motivated, strong individual with a solid work ethic, but their hold is substandard.
You need to put in time, at the range, in the gym and "in your head." Throughout the year, you'll need about 2 days a week just to maintain your current skill level, 3 days to promote some growth and 5 days seems to be optimal for growing as an advanced shooter. Warning: 7 days a week in the range for many weeks of hard training will result in performance degradation. This will be due to physical damage to your body or more often, mental fatigue (burnout.) You need time from the range to recharge through physical activities, reconnecting with family and friends (having a life!) and working on the mental side of your game. You'll vary intensity, frequency and volume in your training dependant upon where you are in the year.
This is all well and good. How do you implement this? Well, first thing, break down your goals, based upon a realistic (neither starry-eyed nor negative) assessment of where your game is today. Fit this into the context of where you are careerwise, academically and socially. Remember: you have limited time, and if you are interested in pursuing an advanced degree in engineering, then that will consume alot of your time, which in turn pulls from your training time.
Once you have a clear idea of your goals (physical, technical, performance outcomes and mental) in the context of your life, start building a quadrennial plan. The quadrennial plan will be somewhat open ended at this stage: essentially, where do you want to be in 4 years. Then, determine a series of outcomes you need to hit between now and then to achieve your goal. These can include winning the Nationals, improving your equipment, relocating to a city where you will have access to better facilities and coaches. Jot down the milestones you must achieve over the four years to reach your goal. This is your personal roadmap.
Now, you're ready to develop your annual plan. It will start with where you are today and position you to achieve all of the milestones mentioned in the first year of the quadrennial plan. These milestones then will be put into the context of the periods (Preparation, Competition and Transition) within the year. Each period is further subdivided, having different goals which, once again, foster growth.
Here's an overview of how to design an annual training plan, as detailed by Istvan Balyi Ph.D.and Alain Marion M.Sc. in "Designing an Annual Training and Competition Plan: a Step by Step Approach" (September, 1998).
Step 1: Determine the Demands of the Event
Step 2: Assess the Athlete(s) or the Team
Step 3: Evaluate last year's program:
- Training/preparation
- Performance
- Summary: strength of the former year’s program
- Summary: weaknesses of the former year’s program
Step 4: Set general goals and objectives for the new program
- Performance objective(s)
- Training objective (s)
Step 5: Identify the Events of new Program
- Calendar planning
- Optimize competition selection
- Identify training camps of the new program and their duration
- Identify sport science and medicine evaluation sessions of the new program
- Identify school dates that may have an impact on athlete(s)/ team preparation
Step 6: Determine the type of Periodization used in your program
Step 7: Determine the duration of the Competition Period(s)
Step 8: Determine the duration of the Transition period(s)
Step 9: Determine the duration of the Preparation period(s)
Step 10: Determine the Phases of each Period of your program
- Phases of the Competition Period(s)
- Pre-competition Phase of the Preparation Period (PCP)
- Specific Phase of the Preparation Period (SPC)
- General Phase of the Preparation Period (GPP)
- Phases of each Transition Period
Step 11: Determine the importance of key performance factors throughout the plan
Step 12: Determine the expected progression of the workload throughout the plan
Step 13: Re-assess previous Steps using
- Retrospective analysis of the former years of training and performance
- Testing and monitoring session prior to planning
- Sport-, event- or position-specific normative data
Step 14: Determine the Meso and Microcycle Planning structure of the plan
- Insert Mesocycles in the Phases of your annual plan
- Re-evaluate Mesocycle distribution from the point of view of calendar events
- Finalize Mesocycle distribution
- Adjust progression curves, if necessary
- Indicate the theme and loading pattern of the Microcycles of the first Mesocycle
Step 15: Design the training sessions of the first Microcycle
Write down how things went during the year. How did the plan work? Did you meet your goals? Could you have planned better? Was it too easy or too hard? This is all important, as it gives you the necessary feedback to plan subsequent year's annual plan.
Okay, I rambled, but you asked a very open ended question. I hope that you can get something out of it.
Patrick Haynes
htp://www.targetshooting.ca
NRA/USA Shooting Certified Advanced International Pistol Coach
(Visit my Training and Downloads section for more information)
Nice training plan Patrick.
Very difficult to achieve.
Training reality,
- Think about the competition you want to go to.
- Find out what the selection critera for the team is.
- Plan to compete in (ie. WIN) the selection shoots.
- Train like buggery for the comp's. (give up social life and drinking, near as damit - live on the range)
- Make the team, train some more, then think about the next level competition.
- Move up the ladder to a higher level competition.
- Allow 10-15 years, maybe a lifetime, so
*** Make sure you have fun on the way, its a lot of work***
PS. On the way it wil help to set a few new records, start at state level, then National etc.
David Moore
Sydney & Athens Aust Olympic Team
Very difficult to achieve.
Training reality,
- Think about the competition you want to go to.
- Find out what the selection critera for the team is.
- Plan to compete in (ie. WIN) the selection shoots.
- Train like buggery for the comp's. (give up social life and drinking, near as damit - live on the range)
- Make the team, train some more, then think about the next level competition.
- Move up the ladder to a higher level competition.
- Allow 10-15 years, maybe a lifetime, so
*** Make sure you have fun on the way, its a lot of work***
PS. On the way it wil help to set a few new records, start at state level, then National etc.
David Moore
Sydney & Athens Aust Olympic Team
Re: Planning Your Training - Big Post, Hopefully Useful
Patrick, thanks for making so much information available on your web site. I have benefited greatly from it and my only wish is that there be even more of it. I have especially enjoyed the videos of top shooters. Few of us get a chance to actually see the best perform. I tried to find the book you referenced and failed. Do you have a source, or can you suggest an alternative?Patrick Haynes wrote:Hi Lauren.
Patrick Haynes
htp://www.targetshooting.ca
NRA/USA Shooting Certified Advanced International Pistol Coach
(Visit my Training and Downloads section for more information)
Best wishes to Avianna.
Larry
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Bill Poole
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found it
http://www.ffme.fr/france.escalade/Conc ... nnuel.html
just one problem..... its titled:
Concevoir un plan annuel d'entraînement et de compétition : une démarche par étapes
figures a canadian would recommend it....
我不会法文！
Poole
http://arizona.rifleshooting.com/
http://www.ffme.fr/france.escalade/Conc ... nnuel.html
just one problem..... its titled:
Concevoir un plan annuel d'entraînement et de compétition : une démarche par étapes
figures a canadian would recommend it....
我不会法文！
Poole
http://arizona.rifleshooting.com/
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Bill Poole
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most of us will find this easier:
http://66.218.71.231/language/translati ... -tab-web-t
WOW the machine translators seem to work better with french than they do with chinese!
http://babelfish.altavista.com
Poole
1124 training days till Beijing
http://66.218.71.231/language/translati ... -tab-web-t
WOW the machine translators seem to work better with french than they do with chinese!
http://babelfish.altavista.com
Poole
1124 training days till Beijing
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trooper jake
getting to the olympics
I am a junior coach, and if you want to get to the top the best advise I can give you is>
1. make it your life
2. do not let anyone talk you out of it.
3. seek avice and coaching from as many people as you can, take in the info and use only what you feel works for you.
4. always make your practice as much a tournament as you can.
5. cross train with other types of competition, get away from your game everyonce in a while but continue to compete, just make the other events more fun to do.
6. Enjoy winning, thats why you do it.
7. Help others, its the best way of learning yourself.
8. Practice,Practice,Practice,Practice,Practice,Practice,Practice,.
thats how you get to carnigie hall. or the podium.
9. its a long life, and shooting is a sport you can enjoy forever.
10. Never stop seeking advice and learning new techniques.
1. make it your life
2. do not let anyone talk you out of it.
3. seek avice and coaching from as many people as you can, take in the info and use only what you feel works for you.
4. always make your practice as much a tournament as you can.
5. cross train with other types of competition, get away from your game everyonce in a while but continue to compete, just make the other events more fun to do.
6. Enjoy winning, thats why you do it.
7. Help others, its the best way of learning yourself.
8. Practice,Practice,Practice,Practice,Practice,Practice,Practice,.
thats how you get to carnigie hall. or the podium.
9. its a long life, and shooting is a sport you can enjoy forever.
10. Never stop seeking advice and learning new techniques.
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Patrick Haynes
Designing An Annual Training in English
Do to popular demand, I've printed the document in PDF form and uploaded it to my website. This is a document that comes with an annual training plan software package: ProPulse Plan.
Unfortunately, the document is better than the software. Hope you can find it to be useful. Warning: the document is neither user friendly, nor eaily digestible. None-the-less, it has lots of information.
Designing An Annual Training Plan can be found at
http://www.targetshooting.ca/docs/Desig ... aining.pdf
Regards.
Patrick Haynes
http://www.targetshooting.ca
Unfortunately, the document is better than the software. Hope you can find it to be useful. Warning: the document is neither user friendly, nor eaily digestible. None-the-less, it has lots of information.
Designing An Annual Training Plan can be found at
http://www.targetshooting.ca/docs/Desig ... aining.pdf
Regards.
Patrick Haynes
http://www.targetshooting.ca
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Patrick Haynes
Re: Planning Your Training - Big Post, Hopefully Useful
Hi Larry.funtoz wrote:
Patrick, thanks for making so much information available on your web site. I have benefited greatly from it and my only wish is that there be even more of it. I have especially enjoyed the videos of top shooters. Few of us get a chance to actually see the best perform. I tried to find the book you referenced and failed. Do you have a source, or can you suggest an alternative?
Best wishes to Avianna.
Larry
Glad that you like the site. Its in desperate need of an update. I've posted teh document on my website (see earlier post.)
Additionally, I captured some new video which I'll be posting soon, as well as some pictures of Munich and Milan. I'm also taking a few courses over the fall and winter. With luck, I'll have that info up. While the website has slowed down, I haven't. ;-)
Let me know if the document is useful. I'll pass your well wishes to Avianna.
Patrick
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Patrick Haynes
Words of Wisdom from a Man Who Knows
You are very correct, sir. But, have you ever tried to land a gig as a coach with such straightforward advice? Where are the big words? Where are the weighty pauses and stern looks over the tops of one's glasses? Sure, it will work, but where's the fun in that?David M wrote:Nice training plan Patrick.
Very difficult to achieve.
Training reality,
- Think about the competition you want to go to.
- Find out what the selection critera for the team is.
- Plan to compete in (ie. WIN) the selection shoots.
- Train like buggery for the comp's. (give up social life and drinking, near as damit - live on the range)
- Make the team, train some more, then think about the next level competition.
- Move up the ladder to a higher level competition.
- Allow 10-15 years, maybe a lifetime, so
*** Make sure you have fun on the way, its a lot of work***
PS. On the way it wil help to set a few new records, start at state level, then National etc.
David Moore
Sydney & Athens Aust Olympic Team
BTW: For those who didn't hear me introduce myself to David in Munich, he is my best new friend. While in Melbourne, Avianna's pistol endured several catastropies, all of which David masterfully resolved. Not only is he a helluva shot and an accomplished airline pilot, he's a great fellow to have around. Thanks again, David.
Patrick
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