Rapid fire

Greg R · Post by **Greg R** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:37 am

Now that we have had a month with the new rules how are people finding which guns are good for rapid and which are not. Thanks

sparky · Post by **sparky** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:39 am

Hopefully, by shooting them! ;)

race1911 · Post by **race1911** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:00 pm

........and my replacement for the Pardini SP, a new Matchguns MG-2 is being cleared customs and I should have it to fire in a week-2 weeks.....til then I only dream and hope I made the right choice

ruig · Post by **ruig** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:21 am

I don't really know what is the best... but here is "the first signs" from Russia:

Russia.Moscow.CSKA-shootingrange.RFP-25m-22lr:

[1] Kolyzhniy V. /1979/ = 578 (142)
[2] ALifirenko S. /1959/ = 578 (140)
[3] Gorinov O. /1972/ = 571

Post by **Shin** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:42 am

One more result from Russia.
Not sure if it they shot 22lr though.
And they did not shoot final... (no equipment?)

Moscow, Feb 05 2005

Edited by Shin:
Sorry for the confusion, that was not real score.

ruig · Post by **ruig** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:14 pm

Shin wrote:One more result from Russia.
Not sure if it they shot 22lr though.
And they did not shoot final... (no equipment?)

Shin, are You really think that it's possible to hit 293+297 with .22 lr? I don't think... but I cannot affirm... i'm not RFP shooter :-)

Как поживаешь? :)

Post by **Shin** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:35 pm

ruig wrote: Shin, are You really think that it's possible to hit 293+297 with .22 lr? I don't think... but I cannot affirm... i'm not RFP shooter :-)

I don't know really. But I think it is not very good decision to shoot .22short in the National championship especially prior to world cups (Korea - April, USA -May, Germany - June). Also I don't know if ISSF will allow to shoot .22short in the National championship. (but may be they do not care)

ausdiver99 · Post by **ausdiver99** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:00 am

Hi.

Comparing a recent open with one late last year (Victoria, Australia) I saw that the higher ranked shooters (Master and A grade) have dropped about 15 points after the rule change. Perhaps their trigger control and recovery experience gained in Standard Pistol with the same gun carries over well, as I dropped close to 40, albeit wrestling with a brand new un-sighted gun. I transitioned from a FAS 601 to a new MG2 having not shot standard in years so a trigger I can feel was new to me! I certainly noticed the recoil, but think I'll get used to it and shouldn't see any significant difference in 8 and 6 second series after some familiarisation with the firearm (such as sigting it in) and a bit of practice (a magic word that one).

I originally though I'd use the FAS .22 short for 50 Metre however ISSF have changed the calibre for 50 Metre to .22 LR, so the FAS is destined for the scrap heap, thanks heaps Mr ISSF, where should I send the bill?

Pete

RobStubbs · Post by **RobStubbs** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:28 am

ausdiver99 wrote:
I originally though I'd use the FAS .22 short for 50 Metre however ISSF have changed the calibre for 50 Metre to .22 LR, so the FAS is destined for the scrap heap, thanks heaps Mr ISSF, where should I send the bill?

Pete

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't 50M always been .22LR ? It certainly hasn't changed in the last few years that I've been shooting 50M pistol.

Oh and re. the thread, what about the score changes in the 4sec strings, that must be most affected by the rule change ?

Rob.

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:36 am

RobStubbs wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't 50M always been .22LR ? It certainly hasn't changed in the last few years that I've been shooting 50M pistol.

Sorry Rob, you're wrong.

Under the old rules, 8.4.8, the ammunition specification for 50m pistol was the same as for Rapid Fire - .22 Rim Fire.

It was only on January 1st this year that the rules (8.4.6) changed to specify .22LR

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:31 am

Thanks, David.

Your knowledge is a relieve.

RobStubbs · Post by **RobStubbs** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:03 pm

David Levene wrote:Sorry Rob, you're wrong.

Under the old rules, 8.4.8, the ammunition specification for 50m pistol was the same as for Rapid Fire - .22 Rim Fire.

It was only on January 1st this year that the rules (8.4.6) changed to specify .22LR

Well I did say correct me if I'm wrong ;) I'd say for a change but it isn't even all that uncommon, but hey I try.

I obviously just assumed that 50M pistol was .22lr as in my limited experience with free pistol I had only ever heard of it being shot with .22lr and I don't remember ever seeing any free pistols in catalogues etc that said anything other than .22lr.

Thanks for putting me right <g>

Rob.

Post by **Shin** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:23 pm

I deleted the scores from Russia which I posted before. That was not real, probably some old scores in the editing stage. Sorry for the confusion. Here is the link to russian page with the real scores.

http://www.shooting.newmail.ru/Rezult/Z ... 05mp8.html

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:36 pm

Shin wrote:Here is the link to russian page with the real scores.

Those are more like it. Rapid Fire shooters can breath again ;-)

deleted1 · Post by **deleted1** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:51 pm

Hey, if those are under the new rules ( which they should be) those scores ain't nothing to sneeze at----I don't think those guys have lost anything IMHO. I'm hearing a lot about guys getting the new MG-2's , I hope they have better luck with that gun than I did. I didn't think it was too good for the RF game---(in fact I thought it was an engineering nightmare)no where as good as my SP. I wish to hell I would have switched to the Russian Institute ( funded by the CIA shhhh) when I was in college, now I would be able to read cyrillic text. But the lure of DuPont and their Chem scholarship kept me a prisoner to the test tubes.

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:23 pm

Bob Riegl wrote:Hey, if those are under the new rules ( which they should be) those scores ain't nothing to sneeze at----I don't think those guys have lost anything IMHO.

Don't get me wrong, they are good scores but they are not miles ahead of others I have heard of. I wouldn't mind betting that the first "big" matches under the new rules will be won with high 70s or low 80s. The originally reported 590 would have been in a totally different league.

RobStubbs · Post by **RobStubbs** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:16 am

I would be very interested to see the scores breakdown. I assume the 4 sec strings are the most affected by the new rules but I would be curious to see the real numbers - does anyone have that info ?

Cheers,

Rob.

Post by **Shin** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:03 pm

http://www.schuetzenbund.de/events/?eve ... ge_id=1693

TomF · Post by **TomF** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:35 pm

Glad to see at least one American (and a Texan at that) in the lineup.

Or is he a Russian-Texan?

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