Safety Flag
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Safety Flag
How do you use a safety flag on guns like FWB65 or FWB300?
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You don't. You stick a piece of free orange weed-whacker line in the open breech.
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Just remember that the safety line needs to go through the breach out through and exposed out the barrel.
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For ISSF
6.2.2.2 Safety flags constructed of fluorescent orange or a similar bright material must be inserted in all rifles, pistols and semi-automatic shotguns at all times except when safety flag removal is authorized by these rules. To demonstrate that air guns are unloaded, safety flags (safety lines) must be long enough to extend through the full length of the barrel. Safety flags for all other guns must have a probe that inserts into the chamber (breech end of barrel) to demonstrate that the chamber is empty.
6.2.2.2 Safety flags constructed of fluorescent orange or a similar bright material must be inserted in all rifles, pistols and semi-automatic shotguns at all times except when safety flag removal is authorized by these rules. To demonstrate that air guns are unloaded, safety flags (safety lines) must be long enough to extend through the full length of the barrel. Safety flags for all other guns must have a probe that inserts into the chamber (breech end of barrel) to demonstrate that the chamber is empty.
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Many years ago we asked for an exemption for air rifles in air rifle silhouette and from the NRA and we received an email back granting the exemption stating that the safety flag rule did not apply to air rifles. Sometimes it's less safe using flags with some airguns.
Weed wacker cord does work well though.
Rick
Weed wacker cord does work well though.
Rick
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To show that the weed wacker for a lot of spring guns means you have to cock the gun to see the empty chamber. Then does that mean you need to have many cleaning pellets (ie, white cotton) because without anything inside the breech, pulling the trigger means taking the risk of destroying the seal? I know for the MGH-1 you put the weed wacker in such a way that it seems to conform to the rule by putting one end of the weed wacker through the muzzle, then the other end of the weed wacker into the chamber as if it goes through to meet the other end of the weed wacker inside the barrel somehow? But what about you cannot even do that, and must cock the pistol and rifle FWB65 and FWB150? Will it be OK to just muzzle loading the weed wacker without needing it to show that it did not go entire through the barrel (breech)?
As a range safety officer, we actually use a flag for a loading gate revolver. After being physically examined by me or another designated officer and passes it, we put the safety flag (we use yellow) inside the exposed chamber with the loading gate up. Sometimes I also prefer to muzzle load a weed wacker in addition to the chamber flag. Some revolver cannot work if the loading gate is still up. But there is no guarantee so the best way is simply pay extra attention to it. Personally I prefer to have the revolver put inside its case. But nevertheless this does not apply to the air spring guns.These guns are the very last ones to be examined before letting everyone out to the field to check their targets. If there is any screw up at least nobody is on the field.
In proper competition this is a non factor at all. Electronic (computer)targets such as Sius, are used, as well as target changers that required hand cranked (Gehmann) or electric (Rika). Your FWB65 is always on the bench if you decide to take a break and sit on your chair. Nobody is allowed to walk down the lane. When you are done you can shoot any amount of cleaning pellets if you want, before putting it back inside the case.
As a range safety officer, we actually use a flag for a loading gate revolver. After being physically examined by me or another designated officer and passes it, we put the safety flag (we use yellow) inside the exposed chamber with the loading gate up. Sometimes I also prefer to muzzle load a weed wacker in addition to the chamber flag. Some revolver cannot work if the loading gate is still up. But there is no guarantee so the best way is simply pay extra attention to it. Personally I prefer to have the revolver put inside its case. But nevertheless this does not apply to the air spring guns.These guns are the very last ones to be examined before letting everyone out to the field to check their targets. If there is any screw up at least nobody is on the field.
In proper competition this is a non factor at all. Electronic (computer)targets such as Sius, are used, as well as target changers that required hand cranked (Gehmann) or electric (Rika). Your FWB65 is always on the bench if you decide to take a break and sit on your chair. Nobody is allowed to walk down the lane. When you are done you can shoot any amount of cleaning pellets if you want, before putting it back inside the case.
Last edited by conradin on Sun Aug 21, 2022 1:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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"Then does that mean you need to have many cleaning pellets (ie, white cotton) because without anything inside the breech, pulling the trigger means taking the risk of destroying the seal?"
No.
No.
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What is the solution, Rover?
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Firing a FWB 65 unloaded on to a rubber mat, muzzle down will give you the same a firing a cleaning pellet.
You just need some resistance to soften the hit of the piston on the buffer.
You just need some resistance to soften the hit of the piston on the buffer.
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great idea.
I also find out that if you cock just a tiny bit, the chamber can be opened just enough to have something very thin to go through. That means it is possible that one can do a MGH-1. One end of the weed wacker being muzzle loaded, and the other end barely going inside the chamber. Let the RSO examine it and it should be good enough if she OKed it.