I have been watching a thread on another forum about pellet weight consistancy. It bring about a couple of questions:
1. Do match shooters weigh their pellets?
2. Are "match grade" pellets more consistent?
3. How much effect on POI does weight differences make at 10 meters?
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LesJ
Re: Pellet weight
That should answer your questions:
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william
Re: Pellet weight
Bill, keep in mind that Grzegorz's study was oriented to rifle where groups approach a pellet's diameter. Given all the "swing and sway" of holding a pistol, the pellet is a pretty minor consideration. There is no way a quality maker (RWS, H&N, JSB, Vogel) will sell you a tin of pellets that will group less well than an under 560 shooter can hold. A very successful coach I know buys $3 a tin Geco pellets for his shooters, and they shoot just fine. Good luck.
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LesJ
Few comments
I like the last table with the theoretical finals. Remember this is for the air rifles, where the"10" is roughly half the size of the pistol's "10". If the difference between the best and the worst is only .2 or .3 of the point, than it means nothing for air pistol, at least for most of us.
Half an hour of good training will give you much higher point gain than searching for ultimate pellets.
Mental confidence: I bought second hand cheap pellets ( I practice a lot) from low score shooter who lost confidence in them and switched to R-10. His score did not improved at all.
I felt like breaking into 570 for sometime, so before each match I would switch from my cheap practice pellets to my match pellets with the idea that I am going to brake my personal record that day. I think I was setting my self up for failure with this approach. Couple weeks ago I just took my cheapes with me to the match with idea that my 570 is going to happened whenever and I shot 568 and 570 three days later. I truly believe that these cheap pellets are not holding me back at this moment.
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Half an hour of good training will give you much higher point gain than searching for ultimate pellets.
Mental confidence: I bought second hand cheap pellets ( I practice a lot) from low score shooter who lost confidence in them and switched to R-10. His score did not improved at all.
I felt like breaking into 570 for sometime, so before each match I would switch from my cheap practice pellets to my match pellets with the idea that I am going to brake my personal record that day. I think I was setting my self up for failure with this approach. Couple weeks ago I just took my cheapes with me to the match with idea that my 570 is going to happened whenever and I shot 568 and 570 three days later. I truly believe that these cheap pellets are not holding me back at this moment.
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JT
Re: Pellet weight
Ditto on these comments. I bench shoot my pistol from a vise with each new pellet I try, and I have found the cheap .177 match pellets will shoot one hole groups just as good as the expensive ones. The POI may be different, and so I might need to adjust the sights a little, but they all shoot 10 shots within a .25" hole.
I do look at each pellet before putting it into my gun, so I am the last measure of quality. You will be surprised at what you can find when you do this.
I just wish I could shoot as well as my bench vise!!!
Practice, practice practice, ....
Your milage may vary.
: Bill, keep in mind that Grzegorz's study was oriented to rifle where groups approach a pellet's diameter. Given all the "swing and sway" of holding a pistol, the pellet is a pretty minor consideration. There is no way a quality maker (RWS, H&N, JSB, Vogel) will sell you a tin of pellets that will group less well than an under 560 shooter can hold. A very successful coach I know buys $3 a tin Geco pellets for his shooters, and they shoot just fine. Good luck.
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I do look at each pellet before putting it into my gun, so I am the last measure of quality. You will be surprised at what you can find when you do this.
I just wish I could shoot as well as my bench vise!!!
Practice, practice practice, ....
Your milage may vary.
: Bill, keep in mind that Grzegorz's study was oriented to rifle where groups approach a pellet's diameter. Given all the "swing and sway" of holding a pistol, the pellet is a pretty minor consideration. There is no way a quality maker (RWS, H&N, JSB, Vogel) will sell you a tin of pellets that will group less well than an under 560 shooter can hold. A very successful coach I know buys $3 a tin Geco pellets for his shooters, and they shoot just fine. Good luck.
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Mako Koiwai
An AR 10 is almost 20 times smaller then the AP ten!
: I like the last table with the theoretical finals. Remember this is for the air rifles, where the"10" is roughly half the size of the pistol's "10". If the difference between the best and the worst is only .2 or .3 of the point, than it means nothing for air pistol, at least for most of us.
: Half an hour of good training will give you much higher point gain than searching for ultimate pellets.
: Mental confidence: I bought second hand cheap pellets ( I practice a lot) from low score shooter who lost confidence in them and switched to R-10. His score did not improved at all.
: I felt like breaking into 570 for sometime, so before each match I would switch from my cheap practice pellets to my match pellets with the idea that I am going to brake my personal record that day. I think I was setting my self up for failure with this approach. Couple weeks ago I just took my cheapes with me to the match with idea that my 570 is going to happened whenever and I shot 568 and 570 three days later. I truly believe that these cheap pellets are not holding me back at this moment.
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: Half an hour of good training will give you much higher point gain than searching for ultimate pellets.
: Mental confidence: I bought second hand cheap pellets ( I practice a lot) from low score shooter who lost confidence in them and switched to R-10. His score did not improved at all.
: I felt like breaking into 570 for sometime, so before each match I would switch from my cheap practice pellets to my match pellets with the idea that I am going to brake my personal record that day. I think I was setting my self up for failure with this approach. Couple weeks ago I just took my cheapes with me to the match with idea that my 570 is going to happened whenever and I shot 568 and 570 three days later. I truly believe that these cheap pellets are not holding me back at this moment.
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Val
I thought it was only 3 times as large.
The size of the hit zone, 10 or otherwise is the diameter of the corresponding ring + caliber.
For AR, the size of 10 is 0.5 + 4.5 = 5 (mm)
For AP, the size of 10 is 11.5 + 4.5 = 15 (mm) - three times as large.
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For AR, the size of 10 is 0.5 + 4.5 = 5 (mm)
For AP, the size of 10 is 11.5 + 4.5 = 15 (mm) - three times as large.
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LesJ
Re: I thought it was only 3 times as large.
: The size of the hit zone, 10 or otherwise is the diameter of the corresponding ring + caliber.
: For AR, the size of 10 is 0.5 + 4.5 = 5 (mm)
: For AP, the size of 10 is 11.5 + 4.5 = 15 (mm) - three times as large.
In this case shouldn't it be 10 + 2x calibers on ether side of the 10? If so than AR = 9.5 and
AP = 19.5 for roughly two times. Am I correct with this, since you can score ten on ether side of the ten?
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: For AR, the size of 10 is 0.5 + 4.5 = 5 (mm)
: For AP, the size of 10 is 11.5 + 4.5 = 15 (mm) - three times as large.
In this case shouldn't it be 10 + 2x calibers on ether side of the 10? If so than AR = 9.5 and
AP = 19.5 for roughly two times. Am I correct with this, since you can score ten on ether side of the ten?
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Val
Re: I thought it was only 3 times as large.
No. The radius of the hit zone is the radius of the scoring ring plus the radius of the projectile. So the diameter of the hit zone is the diameter of the scoring ring + caliber.
For example, if we were shooting with needles, the radius of the hit zone is the same as scoring ring. But since we are shooting with something that has non-zero diameter, it adds some slack, which equals to the radius of the projectile. You add that radius on "both" sides, which is the same as adding one diameter (the caliber).
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For example, if we were shooting with needles, the radius of the hit zone is the same as scoring ring. But since we are shooting with something that has non-zero diameter, it adds some slack, which equals to the radius of the projectile. You add that radius on "both" sides, which is the same as adding one diameter (the caliber).
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mako
Re: Thank you. NT
Well then we do pretty well considering our short barrels, one hand ... no leathers ... :-)
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