FWIW.....I take issue with the theory that there are adequate practice pellets. Seems every time I opt to squeeze a couple more pennies out of a night's practice, scores/groups diminish. When I use a good grade of pellet (there are several) the results are better. Does that mean I waste my time with inferior pellets or do the better pellets impel me to bear down more. Don't know. Don't care. The cost differential is insignificant in the grand scheme. Why spend considerable money to shoot a top level pistol and then put lead through it that has a mind of it's own and gets lost on the way to the inner circle? This probably counts as rambling but it's an observation of mine over the last year and about 20,000 pellets.
Thanks for listening.
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David Levene
Re: pellet grades
: FWIW.....I take issue with the theory that there are adequate practice pellets. Seems every time I opt to squeeze a couple more pennies out of a night's practice, scores/groups diminish. When I use a good grade of pellet (there are several) the results are better. Does that mean I waste my time with inferior pellets or do the better pellets impel me to bear down more. Don't know. Don't care. The cost differential is insignificant in the grand scheme. Why spend considerable money to shoot a top level pistol and then put lead through it that has a mind of it's own and gets lost on the way to the inner circle? This probably counts as rambling but it's an observation of mine over the last year and about 20,000 pellets.
: Thanks for listening.
Could not agree with you more. When I was competing seriously I had no such things as match ammunition or training ammunition.
I could never see the point of training with second grade ammunition. Even during a training session I wanted to know that a shot outside of the inner ten was caused by faulty technique and not by dubious ammunition. If it wasn't good enough to use in the World Championships then it wasn't good enough to go into my gun.
I will admit though that I was extremely lucky in that I could afford to "feed my habit" in this way; a major advantage.
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Could not agree with you more. When I was competing seriously I had no such things as match ammunition or training ammunition.
I could never see the point of training with second grade ammunition. Even during a training session I wanted to know that a shot outside of the inner ten was caused by faulty technique and not by dubious ammunition. If it wasn't good enough to use in the World Championships then it wasn't good enough to go into my gun.
I will admit though that I was extremely lucky in that I could afford to "feed my habit" in this way; a major advantage.
dalevene-at-blueyonder.co.uk.44177.44173
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Michael
Re: pellet grades
I have found over the years, as far as pistol shooting is concerned, that just because the ammo is more expensive does not mean that it is the best in my gun. I've found some inexpensive match ammo that shoots extremely well in my guns. It seems like some inexpensive pellets shoot very well in my air pistols. At my level of shooting I can't tell the difference between the expensive pellets and the cheap stuff. It seems like the cheap stuff will shoot tens when I do my part and that it doesn't matter what pellets I'm shooting when I have poor trigger control or lack of follow-through and shoot an 8 or worse. I'll probably worry about the quality of the pellets when I start averaging in the 570's. It is very important however that one has confidence in one's equipment. If buying the most expensive pellet and practicing with it is what it takes for that confidence then one should take that route.
: FWIW.....I take issue with the theory that there are adequate practice pellets. Seems every time I opt to squeeze a couple more pennies out of a night's practice, scores/groups diminish. When I use a good grade of pellet (there are several) the results are better. Does that mean I waste my time with inferior pellets or do the better pellets impel me to bear down more. Don't know. Don't care. The cost differential is insignificant in the grand scheme. Why spend considerable money to shoot a top level pistol and then put lead through it that has a mind of it's own and gets lost on the way to the inner circle? This probably counts as rambling but it's an observation of mine over the last year and about 20,000 pellets.
: Thanks for listening.
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: FWIW.....I take issue with the theory that there are adequate practice pellets. Seems every time I opt to squeeze a couple more pennies out of a night's practice, scores/groups diminish. When I use a good grade of pellet (there are several) the results are better. Does that mean I waste my time with inferior pellets or do the better pellets impel me to bear down more. Don't know. Don't care. The cost differential is insignificant in the grand scheme. Why spend considerable money to shoot a top level pistol and then put lead through it that has a mind of it's own and gets lost on the way to the inner circle? This probably counts as rambling but it's an observation of mine over the last year and about 20,000 pellets.
: Thanks for listening.
.44184.44173
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Rodm
Re: pellet grades
I have been using SJB SHCaK practice pellets for practice in my pistol for the last two years. Testing they show an insignifint difference in group size between them and match quality pellets. It might be different if I were consistantly shooting int the 580 range but for now I will save a few dollars. Let me add two thoughts. First I consider the SCHaK pellets to be a quality practice pellet, just not having gone throu the inspection process of the more costly "Match" pellets. Second I am talking Pistol not Rifle. For me, 0.02 inch in group size is not going to change my practice score that much.
: FWIW.....I take issue with the theory that there are adequate practice pellets. Seems every time I opt to squeeze a couple more pennies out of a night's practice, scores/groups diminish. When I use a good grade of pellet (there are several) the results are better. Does that mean I waste my time with inferior pellets or do the better pellets impel me to bear down more. Don't know. Don't care. The cost differential is insignificant in the grand scheme. Why spend considerable money to shoot a top level pistol and then put lead through it that has a mind of it's own and gets lost on the way to the inner circle? This probably counts as rambling but it's an observation of mine over the last year and about 20,000 pellets. : Thanks for listening.
ramadsen-at-iname.com.44185.44173
: FWIW.....I take issue with the theory that there are adequate practice pellets. Seems every time I opt to squeeze a couple more pennies out of a night's practice, scores/groups diminish. When I use a good grade of pellet (there are several) the results are better. Does that mean I waste my time with inferior pellets or do the better pellets impel me to bear down more. Don't know. Don't care. The cost differential is insignificant in the grand scheme. Why spend considerable money to shoot a top level pistol and then put lead through it that has a mind of it's own and gets lost on the way to the inner circle? This probably counts as rambling but it's an observation of mine over the last year and about 20,000 pellets. : Thanks for listening.
ramadsen-at-iname.com.44185.44173
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Mark
Re: pellet grades
Just as a follow up to the comments about Schak pellets, I'll offer a contrasting viewpoint. I meticulously measured and weighed a random sample of several different pellets, including H&N Finale Match, H&N Match, and Schak's. The ONLY pellets where I could measure a difference between individual pellets within a batch was the Schak's. Their weight varied by as much as 0.3 grains (sample size was 50 pellets taken from 5 different tins taken from one sleeve of 10 tins). I thought that such a small difference in weight would be rather insignificant in terms of on-target performance, but I was wrong.
With my Steyr LP-1 clamped in a vice I tested these pellets and found that group sizes with Schak were considerably larger than with the other "match grade" pellets. In fact, a 5-shot group of Schak is pretty consistantly about twice the size of a 10-shot group of H&N Finale Match. That's more than enough shot displacement to make scoring a "10" more a matter of chance than a matter of good marksmanship.
When I started shooting Air Pistol, the performance of the Schak's was more than an adequate match with my abilities. Once I developed the basic marksmanship skills and got serious about training, they just couldn't cut the mustard. After performing these tests I switched to the H&N's and don't plan on going back. No, I'm not a 570's or 580's shooter. But I do know I need all the help I can find to get to that level. I can't afford to give away any points to poor pellets, nor can I afford the loss of confidence that shooting such pellets would cause. Having ammo that's matched to your gun means you're not second-guessing anything. Some guns will shoot pellets like the Schak's quite well - mine won't. So the real moral of the story is that you should shoot what works best in your gun and what you can afford. Do the tests yourself and then make your choice.
Mark.
: I have been using SJB SHCaK practice pellets for practice in my pistol for the last two years. Testing they show an insignifint difference in group size between them and match quality pellets. It might be different if I were consistantly shooting int the 580 range but for now I will save a few dollars. Let me add two thoughts. First I consider the SCHaK pellets to be a quality practice pellet, just not having gone throu the inspection process of the more costly "Match" pellets. Second I am talking Pistol not Rifle. For me, 0.02 inch in group size is not going to change my practice score that much.
: : FWIW.....I take issue with the theory that there are adequate practice pellets. Seems every time I opt to squeeze a couple more pennies out of a night's practice, scores/groups diminish. When I use a good grade of pellet (there are several) the results are better. Does that mean I waste my time with inferior pellets or do the better pellets impel me to bear down more. Don't know. Don't care. The cost differential is insignificant in the grand scheme. Why spend considerable money to shoot a top level pistol and then put lead through it that has a mind of it's own and gets lost on the way to the inner circle? This probably counts as rambling but it's an observation of mine over the last year and about 20,000 pellets. : Thanks for listening.
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With my Steyr LP-1 clamped in a vice I tested these pellets and found that group sizes with Schak were considerably larger than with the other "match grade" pellets. In fact, a 5-shot group of Schak is pretty consistantly about twice the size of a 10-shot group of H&N Finale Match. That's more than enough shot displacement to make scoring a "10" more a matter of chance than a matter of good marksmanship.
When I started shooting Air Pistol, the performance of the Schak's was more than an adequate match with my abilities. Once I developed the basic marksmanship skills and got serious about training, they just couldn't cut the mustard. After performing these tests I switched to the H&N's and don't plan on going back. No, I'm not a 570's or 580's shooter. But I do know I need all the help I can find to get to that level. I can't afford to give away any points to poor pellets, nor can I afford the loss of confidence that shooting such pellets would cause. Having ammo that's matched to your gun means you're not second-guessing anything. Some guns will shoot pellets like the Schak's quite well - mine won't. So the real moral of the story is that you should shoot what works best in your gun and what you can afford. Do the tests yourself and then make your choice.
Mark.
: I have been using SJB SHCaK practice pellets for practice in my pistol for the last two years. Testing they show an insignifint difference in group size between them and match quality pellets. It might be different if I were consistantly shooting int the 580 range but for now I will save a few dollars. Let me add two thoughts. First I consider the SCHaK pellets to be a quality practice pellet, just not having gone throu the inspection process of the more costly "Match" pellets. Second I am talking Pistol not Rifle. For me, 0.02 inch in group size is not going to change my practice score that much.
: : FWIW.....I take issue with the theory that there are adequate practice pellets. Seems every time I opt to squeeze a couple more pennies out of a night's practice, scores/groups diminish. When I use a good grade of pellet (there are several) the results are better. Does that mean I waste my time with inferior pellets or do the better pellets impel me to bear down more. Don't know. Don't care. The cost differential is insignificant in the grand scheme. Why spend considerable money to shoot a top level pistol and then put lead through it that has a mind of it's own and gets lost on the way to the inner circle? This probably counts as rambling but it's an observation of mine over the last year and about 20,000 pellets. : Thanks for listening.
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Rui
Re: pellet grades
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Allan Ludwig
Re: pellet grades
: I have found over the years, as far as pistol shooting is concerned, that just because the ammo is more expensive does not mean that it is the best in my gun. I've found some inexpensive match ammo that shoots extremely well in my guns. It seems like some inexpensive pellets shoot very well in my air pistols. At my level of shooting I can't tell the difference between the expensive pellets and the cheap stuff. It seems like the cheap stuff will shoot tens when I do my part and that it doesn't matter what pellets I'm shooting when I have poor trigger control or lack of follow-through and shoot an 8 or worse. I'll probably worry about the quality of the pellets when I start averaging in the 570's. It is very important however that one has confidence in one's equipment. If buying the most expensive pellet and practicing with it is what it takes for that confidence then one should take that route.
: : FWIW.....I take issue with the theory that there are adequate practice pellets. Seems every time I opt to squeeze a couple more pennies out of a night's practice, scores/groups diminish. When I use a good grade of pellet (there are several) the results are better. Does that mean I waste my time with inferior pellets or do the better pellets impel me to bear down more. Don't know. Don't care. The cost differential is insignificant in the grand scheme. Why spend considerable money to shoot a top level pistol and then put lead through it that has a mind of it's own and gets lost on the way to the inner circle? This probably counts as rambling but it's an observation of mine over the last year and about 20,000 pellets.
: : Thanks for listening.
AllanLudwig-at-earthlink.net.44954.44184
: : FWIW.....I take issue with the theory that there are adequate practice pellets. Seems every time I opt to squeeze a couple more pennies out of a night's practice, scores/groups diminish. When I use a good grade of pellet (there are several) the results are better. Does that mean I waste my time with inferior pellets or do the better pellets impel me to bear down more. Don't know. Don't care. The cost differential is insignificant in the grand scheme. Why spend considerable money to shoot a top level pistol and then put lead through it that has a mind of it's own and gets lost on the way to the inner circle? This probably counts as rambling but it's an observation of mine over the last year and about 20,000 pellets.
: : Thanks for listening.
AllanLudwig-at-earthlink.net.44954.44184
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