Most used Standard Pistol

[j-team]

Most of the current Rapidfire pistols will not do this, if lucky they hold
the precision target ten ring, 40-50mm group.

Not sure where you get this from? My Pardini SP-RF shoots about 12mm groups from machine rest.

[David M]

Are you testing with standard velocity match ammo or 250m/s rapid ammo. Big difference...

[deadeyedick]

The reason I posted the test target from my RF Matchgun was to point out that saying Rapid Fire pistols are lucky to hold 45-50 mm groups is wrong.
In our Club there are two RF Pardinis and two RF Matchguns, both brands having test targets of 12 mm or less.
The irony of this is that the Hammerli SP 20 I had and the FWB aw93 I have both came with test targets in the 20-25 mm spread. This makes a nonsense of the comment that modern RF pistols are not nearly as accurate as the SP' version.
Add to this the fact that the Pardini RF and the Matchguns RF pistols both share the same barrel part no. as the standard version and the chance of the two variants being different in accuracy becomes even less plausible.

[deadeyedick]

The first picture is the test target from my Matchguns MG2 Rapidfire and the second from my Hammerli SP20 Standard Pistol which was the best test target from the seven Hammerli pistols we received.
Which would you choose given accuracy as the criteria.....? This is slightly unfair as it implies that RF pistols are more accurate. They are probably not, however my experience has shown that they are not inferior regarding accuracy.
With RF pistols shooting groups as tight as Sport pistols, and having less recoil to control it makes sense that they will be at least as good for Standard and Sport events.
Remember that the option of using Rapid Fire pistols in events such as Standard and Sport has only recently been available since the introduction of .22lr and 1000 gm triggers for Rapid Fire which created the development of the modern .22lr RF pistol.

[rmca]

Are you testing with standard velocity match ammo or 250m/s rapid ammo. Big difference...

You can use 250m/s ammo on standard pistol!
My experiences also match those of deadeyedic in terms of groups.

Hope this helps

[jbshooter]

all those test targets are better than my CM84E 50m pistol - half the size!

[jbshooter]

My Unique DES69 has a test target like those above but the lock time is five times longer than my MG2. So a test target has limited value in my view.

[David Levene]

Add to this the fact that the Pardini RF and the Matchguns RF pistols both share the same barrel part no. as the standard version and the chance of the two variants being different in accuracy becomes even less plausible.

I would suggest that, at least for Pardini, that is possibly a mistake (or generic numbering) in the manual. Their advertising literature clearly states " For the SP RF elaborate changes have been made to the bolt and the barrel."

[deadeyedick]

My owners manual lists part number 2007 as the only barrel available for the MG2, MG2E, and MG2RF.
A friend of mine found the same situation existed with his Pardini.
I was aware of the " elaborate changes to the slide and barrel " advertising, but was told recently that apart from the lighter slide the barrels were currently identical and interchangeable between both guns from both manufacturers.
Unless we hear from Matchguns and Pardini we may never know the truth David.

[Tycho]

Don't know about MG, but I do have a Pardini barrel stamped "RF" that has a slightly wider chamber than the normal ones. You can actually feel when it cycles that the extraction takes less effort. AFAIK, this barrel was originally delivered to a national team shooter (I'm not saying which country) from whom I bought about 4kg of Pardini stuff, so I can't tell if that type of barrel made it to serial production. I can well imagine that such a barrel would not deliver the same groups as a tightly chambered one (never tested it, it still shoots a lot better than I do), but the 40-50mm rumour is obviously from the old days of .22 short and IMO cannot be applied to any .22lr.

As the outside dimensions would be same in any case, interchangeability is obviously not an issue here. Especially for the Pardini, you can put Pardini parts from 20 years together into a working gun...

And keep in mind that the Italians (and for that, Morini, too) are THE specialists for giving special parts to shooters with very high scores and/or very good connections... so I would never wonder at anything that came out of an Italian factory that is just the tiny bit different...