StandingProblem

muldoon9 · Post by **muldoon9** » Sun May 06, 2012 1:01 am

I am having a difficulty in standing. My target occasionally, will have shots from10.1 out the bottom to 9.8 out the top. 20% of the time.

If I "throw one", I always see it in the recoil of the air rifle, or Small bore.

Occasionally I will see a "pulse", or "bobble", that appears to cause the rifle to bob vertically about half the width of the bull.

I always take the rifle down, because when I see that, the shot is never good vertically.

I don't know what I am seeing, or if that is a symptom of the problem.

My stance is "open" because with a closed stance I kept having balance issues. I don't know why. I would just tip forward and fall. Even with an erect head. So I changed , for now.

Butt plate is indexed onto shoulder pad, cheek to a scratch on cheek piece, and left hand at the worn spot of the fore end. Eye sees the same sight picture.

This current form is into its 3rd year. I need to change something.

Can you help?

Regards
Michael

WarWagon · Post by **WarWagon** » Sun May 06, 2012 11:35 am

How front heavy is your rifle?

muldoon9 · Post by **muldoon9** » Sun May 06, 2012 4:21 pm

Balance point is at the point I hold it with my left hand.

With one hand I can hold it level, at that point.

Michael

muldoon9 · Post by **muldoon9** » Sat May 12, 2012 4:50 am

Is it true, no one can speak to this problem,.....

........or is it so simple I appear the imbecile ??

Regards
michael

WarWagon · Post by **WarWagon** » Sat May 12, 2012 7:37 am

What position do you keep your hook in? I shoot with a slightly elevated right elbow, and found that when my butt hook was a hair too high, any fluctuation in my right arm could create a bob effect.

Other than that, I'm not familiar with many causes of bobbing other than a tensing of the muscles. This problem can be exacerbated by your wide stance. Have you ever trained using wobble boards? I used to do the same thing in the standing position, where I would "dive bomb" front to rear. Trained with wobble blocks, and it corrected my posture and really helped me find my C of G to where I gained roughly 30pts or so standing during a full course. They were the single best training tool I ever used (with the SCATT being a close second!)

muldoon9 · Post by **muldoon9** » Sat May 12, 2012 1:21 pm

I am not using a hook, but try very hard to index the butt identically each time.

Is the wobble board used in the left to right axis or the front to rear axis ?

My stance is actually not wide at all, as the space between my feet is only
18 inches at the base of the big toe.

Michael

Pat McCoy · Post by **Pat McCoy** » Sat May 12, 2012 10:13 pm

muldoon9:

It is difficult (at best) to help shooters on a forum such as this when they are having consistent problems.

Accurately diagnosing intermittent problems is impossible.

You need to get a coach to watch you for awhile, so they can get a feel for your regular shot process and hopefully find the very minor change that causes your intermittent problem.

muldoon9 · Post by **muldoon9** » Sat May 12, 2012 11:54 pm

oh....

I was hopeing someone had seen this before,
Had a suggestion.

Seems tha a lot of symptoms I track have the same cause - effect.

Michael

yana · Post by **yana** » Sun May 13, 2012 6:20 am

Michael, do you mean you see your pulse in the sights? = movement on pulse ritm?
If so, whats yr hand position, do you use a glove?
Where do you rest yr elbow, and what breething do you use?

muldoon9 · Post by **muldoon9** » Sun May 13, 2012 3:39 pm

Doesnt seem to be a pulse. too quick.

Almost like " correction"

Elbow against the coat.

palm of hand against the gun bottom.

Fore arm vertical as possible.

Gehman glove.

When its steady, no pulse evident

Exhale , relax , see the shot ( or adjust), re relax,
then release.

Michael

yana · Post by **yana** » Mon May 14, 2012 8:12 am

Correction vertically..should be yr height than..Yr elbow doesnt slip?
Maybe yr struggling to gain the correct height with yr current hand stance.
You ever tried using the top of yr hand?
Also, is yr support arm relaxed? No strain?

Just thinking out loud here..

muldoon9 · Post by **muldoon9** » Mon May 14, 2012 6:10 pm

Elbow is pinned , doesnt move.

I can use fist, palm, or split fingers with seemingly equal
results in steadyness.

Support arm totally relaxed. dead.

Noticed in practice that the waist or torso muscles seem to be involved in this.........If I am not right on, on the exhale cycle, then it appears more prone to start in.

Michael

yana · Post by **yana** » Wed May 16, 2012 11:28 am

What do you mean by 'appears more prone to start in?'

You dó keep yr hip parallel?; that is, you dont turn in yr hip, ónly yr upper torso?

Just as a test; does thís problem get better when you stand in a more closed position?

muldoon9 · Post by **muldoon9** » Wed May 16, 2012 6:20 pm

Torso twisted toward target 30 degrees, hips twisted about 10 degrees.

"Appears more prone to start in" means the symptom is initiated or triggered by a certian behaivor.

M

Deigeh Nisht · Post by **Deigeh Nisht** » Wed May 16, 2012 7:30 pm

Basiphobia

muldoon9 · Post by **muldoon9** » Wed May 16, 2012 7:35 pm

First attempt at humor ?

yana · Post by **yana** » Thu May 17, 2012 6:20 am

Yr hip should stay parallel/level. Does the problem disappear when you keep yr hip level instead turning it in 10 degrees?
To make sure the hip stays in place, tighten yr buttocks muscles while turning in.
If you turn in yr hip as well, yr waist muscles wíll indeed react.

muldoon9 · Post by **muldoon9** » Thu May 17, 2012 7:26 am

If hip is not turned the rifle will not rest on target.

It rests 2-3 moa to the right of the target.

Must add rear foot is 2 inch forward of front foot.

A slightly open stance.... (to reprase) .. feet not perpendicular to target.

M

Pat McCoy · Post by **Pat McCoy** » Thu May 17, 2012 5:43 pm

yana: hip position may work for you, but not for others due to their size and build. There are all kinds of good positions, but everyone has their own small adjustments to suit their body conformation.

Muldoon9: you are not going to find a solution without getting s coach to watch you shoot, perhaps many rounds. I spent several sessions, many shots, with a top shooter watching him, having him call the shot out loud, and me checking the scope. Eventually I noticed a very small twitch in the back of his trigger hand, and could call the shots just by watching his hand. Once that was accomplished we made a small equipment adjustment which solved the problem.

This board is not going to solve your problem.

muldoon9 · Post by **muldoon9** » Thu May 17, 2012 6:53 pm

"This board is not going to solve your problem."

......................oh,
so I should shut up and go away ?

M-

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