I'm seriously considering buying some new grips for my High Standard Victor for my next bullseye league. I've not shot either Fung or Nil grips and was looking for some opinions/preferences regarding them.
Which would you choose?
Rimfire Bullseye Grips
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gulliver62
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Nill
I have Nill on one of my M41's and Rink on the other.
I prefer the Nill.
I prefer the Nill.
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Isabel1130
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I like Nils, but getting them is by no means an instant process. Be prepared to wait a few months for them to arrive.
Also start thinking about what you don't like about your factory grips and how you expect the custom grips to be better than the factory ones.
Bullseye isn't free pistol. In my opinion, the anatomical grips offer a slight advantage in slow fire but help not at all, in timed and rapid. Your scores may improve slightly for a while but you will never know if it is the grips, more practice, or ""new gun" syndrome.
Also start thinking about what you don't like about your factory grips and how you expect the custom grips to be better than the factory ones.
Bullseye isn't free pistol. In my opinion, the anatomical grips offer a slight advantage in slow fire but help not at all, in timed and rapid. Your scores may improve slightly for a while but you will never know if it is the grips, more practice, or ""new gun" syndrome.
I have several grips purchased for 208s, 41, K38, N45. Only two have satisfied me right off. The several cover the brands, Nill, Rink, Fung, Horton, Morini, and one Vitarbo. The immediate good fit grips are the Fung K38, and 208s Nill. Even on the 208s, I have to have this little beavertail thingy I made to keep the slide off my hand.
The other Nill and Rinks are very close, but need a bit of tweaking to be as good as the two above. The N45 I sent back to Randall along with the good K38 for him to copy a few tweaks onto. That has worked out well. The Morinis initially never fit. I did tweak them, sometimes a lot. But unfortunately, I do not always know what I am doing.
The Horton is way too big. If you have a loooong large hand and a HS 106-107, make me an offer. Beautiful wood on the Horton.
The Vitarbo is ugly by comparison. Unadjustable. Also open for offers for it to fit your HS 106-107 and medium to large hand.
All are right hand.
Anyway, the bottom line is all hands are different. Of my several ergo grips tried, only 2 out of 10or12 have fit my hand without needing some carving. Nill and Rink would be the closest to right in general. The Nill and the Fung that were successful are very, very good. I say the odds of you being totally satisfied right off with these type grips is kind of low. The even can need tweaking to fit the frame. But once fit, they are very good.
Second bottom line, do not overlook the standard 45 type grip. Especially good are the CMM grip adapters for 41 and 208. Also HS as well as conversions on 1911 lowers. Just learn to jam the backstrap into your hand hard and stretch your fingers around the front. (and pull straight back on the trigger)
The other Nill and Rinks are very close, but need a bit of tweaking to be as good as the two above. The N45 I sent back to Randall along with the good K38 for him to copy a few tweaks onto. That has worked out well. The Morinis initially never fit. I did tweak them, sometimes a lot. But unfortunately, I do not always know what I am doing.
The Horton is way too big. If you have a loooong large hand and a HS 106-107, make me an offer. Beautiful wood on the Horton.
The Vitarbo is ugly by comparison. Unadjustable. Also open for offers for it to fit your HS 106-107 and medium to large hand.
All are right hand.
Anyway, the bottom line is all hands are different. Of my several ergo grips tried, only 2 out of 10or12 have fit my hand without needing some carving. Nill and Rink would be the closest to right in general. The Nill and the Fung that were successful are very, very good. I say the odds of you being totally satisfied right off with these type grips is kind of low. The even can need tweaking to fit the frame. But once fit, they are very good.
Second bottom line, do not overlook the standard 45 type grip. Especially good are the CMM grip adapters for 41 and 208. Also HS as well as conversions on 1911 lowers. Just learn to jam the backstrap into your hand hard and stretch your fingers around the front. (and pull straight back on the trigger)
One man's opinion...
Before you drop @$200 on custom grips, make your own for about $5. Go to the local drug store, and go the the first aid or foot section. Purchase a roll of foam adhesive tape (the only color I've found it locally is biege).
Cut off 1" squares of the foam tape and build your own custom grips. You will be surprised at the difference. You will also be surprised in the fit that you THOUGHT was "good" isn't so good a few practice sessions later. Add/decrease/reposition tape until it's "good."
Won't look great, but your scores wil be better. I find that I can really control the initial aiming point with the foam tape. I shoot both conventional (22) and ISU centerfire (precision and duel stage). You have to be honest with yourself, and go for fit, not for status first (at least that was my approach). My SW model 41 gets some good comments from my club members, but I seem to be outpacing them in both leagues. My "custom" ISU centerfire grips consist of a set of Pachmayr presentation grips and the tape on a SW model 14 full lug. I also have a SW 586 with a set of Pachmayr gripper grips and a few pieces of tape.
Once your have your "taped up" grips, you may actually may be able to take dimensions off your grips, and incorporate that to the $$$ custom grips.
Again, just one view. It works for me. I WOULD like to get a set of custom grips someday, but I want them to fit. I also want to know what they will feel like when they are "right." It is surprising to me the adjustments I make to the tape over a month's shooting. I think my hand and eye get more sophisticated, and picks up things that WERE ok, but NOW could be better. For example, this past week, I relocated a single layer of foam tape from the rear right butt area of the SW 41, and placed it in the area where my most concave posrtion of my palm would be on the grip. It wasn't much, but it made a big difference in pointability, control, and comfort. I don't think I would have picked up the difference it made a year ago, but I did this time around. I'm not great, but I shot my first master level score with this set up. It wouldn't surprise me if I tweaked the contour in some time in the near future.
It's a low cost option, and it helped me.
You could also try a set of Herretts target stocks. I used to have a HS Victor, and came close to getting a set of Herretts, but a person offered to buy my Victor at a price I couldn't refuse, so... never did it. Look on Gunbroker.com . I seem to remember these grips selling for ~ $35. It may be a good stepping stone up, before the "big plunge."
Good luck.
Before you drop @$200 on custom grips, make your own for about $5. Go to the local drug store, and go the the first aid or foot section. Purchase a roll of foam adhesive tape (the only color I've found it locally is biege).
Cut off 1" squares of the foam tape and build your own custom grips. You will be surprised at the difference. You will also be surprised in the fit that you THOUGHT was "good" isn't so good a few practice sessions later. Add/decrease/reposition tape until it's "good."
Won't look great, but your scores wil be better. I find that I can really control the initial aiming point with the foam tape. I shoot both conventional (22) and ISU centerfire (precision and duel stage). You have to be honest with yourself, and go for fit, not for status first (at least that was my approach). My SW model 41 gets some good comments from my club members, but I seem to be outpacing them in both leagues. My "custom" ISU centerfire grips consist of a set of Pachmayr presentation grips and the tape on a SW model 14 full lug. I also have a SW 586 with a set of Pachmayr gripper grips and a few pieces of tape.
Once your have your "taped up" grips, you may actually may be able to take dimensions off your grips, and incorporate that to the $$$ custom grips.
Again, just one view. It works for me. I WOULD like to get a set of custom grips someday, but I want them to fit. I also want to know what they will feel like when they are "right." It is surprising to me the adjustments I make to the tape over a month's shooting. I think my hand and eye get more sophisticated, and picks up things that WERE ok, but NOW could be better. For example, this past week, I relocated a single layer of foam tape from the rear right butt area of the SW 41, and placed it in the area where my most concave posrtion of my palm would be on the grip. It wasn't much, but it made a big difference in pointability, control, and comfort. I don't think I would have picked up the difference it made a year ago, but I did this time around. I'm not great, but I shot my first master level score with this set up. It wouldn't surprise me if I tweaked the contour in some time in the near future.
It's a low cost option, and it helped me.
You could also try a set of Herretts target stocks. I used to have a HS Victor, and came close to getting a set of Herretts, but a person offered to buy my Victor at a price I couldn't refuse, so... never did it. Look on Gunbroker.com . I seem to remember these grips selling for ~ $35. It may be a good stepping stone up, before the "big plunge."
Good luck.
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Levergun59
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I went the exact opposite way. I bought Herrett trainers for my High Standard Victor. They are thinner and match the width of my series 70 1911 ball and wad gun. Since shooting the 45 is the hardest gun to shoot, my thinking is get the same feeling between all three guns as much as possible. It is a form of crosstraining to me.
Chris
Chris