Starting into Standing 50m

Dave IRL · Post by **Dave IRL** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:29 pm

I have some basic experience of shooting standing from 10m air rifle. Never got any good at it, but I do understand the rudiments of the position and technique. However, I'm shooting 50m prone for a few years now and am starting to shoot the 3x40 as well and am having some issues with the free rifle for standing. Using the deepest fore-end raiser I could get hold of (A block of wood on a rail fitting someone made up in the club and left there), when in position, my rifle points low. I also seem to need more than the 22mm of raiser blocks I have available to me in order to get the sights up towards my eye. Does this seem right to others or is the apparent need for a significantly deeper fore-end and much higher sights indicative of me doing something fundamentally wrong in setting up the rifle initially, as I'm particularly keen to avoid doing that. I initially set the rifle up without a target or sights at home in order to fit me. However, without the sights and target I couldn't determine that my raiser blocks weren't tall enough or that the rifle wasn't pointing high enough to settle down onto the target. When I went to live fire as a result, the issues became apparent. Is the answer as simple as adding raising blocks and finding a deeper fore-end raiser? If so, what fore-end raiser would people recommend as offering the best elevation available?

Pat McCoy · Post by **Pat McCoy** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:48 pm

First we'll need to know about the rifle you are shooting. What model? What type stock? Adjustable buttplate?

Are you extremely tall? Have very long neck?

skylark · Post by **skylark** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:47 am

It might just be as simple as putting a deeper block under the foreend. I know a bunch of people who use two blocks, one under the other. (Only works if you have one block with a rail on, of course).

Have you tried playing with the height of the buttplate, with left hand positions, and with how far in or out you put your left hand?

Dave IRL · Post by **Dave IRL** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:31 am

Rifle is in an Anschutz Precise stock. I'm 6' with a long neck alright. I've played around with buttplate height (Raising it to raise the barrel dropped the cheekpiece away from me and ruined balance). Hand is already very close in under the rifle.

tsokasn · Post by **tsokasn** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:08 am

Fist or palm for the supporting arm?
Have you tryed to increase your feet distance?

Dave IRL · Post by **Dave IRL** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:16 pm

I prefer the palm, as it gets the rifle in close to my chest, but the fist doesn't get it high enough either, so I figure if I need to raise it up, I may as well raise it high enough to use the support I want. I've tried spreading them a bit, but I want to avoid anything too much as it'll strain my back and hips.

WesternGrizzly · Post by **WesternGrizzly** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:14 pm

http://www.tec-hro.de/index.php?page=product&info=736
Look into getting one of these. I have one and it works very well.

I had the same problem as you do until I used all my riser blocks (36mm i think) and this palm rest.
Matt

Pat McCoy · Post by **Pat McCoy** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:54 pm

I had two juniors (6'4" and 6'5") where we had to remove the vertical part of the butt assembly which bolts to the buttplate extension, and relocate it to a lower set of holes.

The piece I'm talking about is the vertical column that the buttplate slides up and down on, and also twists around. Initially the top is even with the top of the extension. By lowering the assembly, you bring the cheek piece up to your eye level.

You'll probably still need and adjustable palm rest (or two blocks stacked).

tsokasn · Post by **tsokasn** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:41 pm

Dave

I had the same problem with you.
I started standing with air rifle,restricted from the standar rifle regulations and I used a fist supporting hand.
Couldn't do anything without riser blocks.

Later on I've been couched by the best 3p shooter of my country and I made a lot of changes,including a palm support hand.
Realised the benefits of it but had to use the max risers height.

I tryed to dublicate my air set up to the smallbore.
I have reached to a point of using one fore end raiser block on my 1913 and 44 mm of riser blocks...(I know it is propably to much but for now it does the job for me)

I could use a double fore end raiser block and recuse the sight risers but i would loose the rifle close to the chest feeling like you mentioned.

Spreading the feets was also necessary to me as my position was way to wrong(not that now it's perfect...) but always in a reasonable way.

Hope you work it out!