Malfunction women 25 m in Sydney

gn303 · Post by **gn303** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:53 am

Chinese shooter Cheng announced a malfunction on the finals of the 25 m event. From the video it was very clear to see what happened.
After the jury inspected the malfunction there was a long discussion between the jury members and the Chinese officials. At the end I had the impression the the malfunction was judged invalid.
Has anyone better information on this? What did the shooter do or didn't do?
It would surprise me that a high level competitor doesn't know the rules. May the stress was so high that she forgot!?
Thank for more info.
Guy

RobStubbs · Post by **RobStubbs** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:23 am

It looks from the results lists, that it must have been a non-alloweable malfunction (she recorded 4 x 0.0). In the heat of competition it's not unheard of for competitors to attempt for example to clear a jam. Had she done so then by her touching the gun would immediately make it non-alloweable. I have no idea though if that's what happened - I haven't looked at the video.

Rob.

Spencer · Post by **Spencer** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:55 am

gn303 wrote:It would surprise me that a high level competitor doesn't know the rules. Guy

8.7.4.1 If a shot has not been fired due to a malfunction, and if the shooter wishes to claim a malfunction, he must hold his pistol pointing down range, retain his grip, and immediately inform a Range Officer by raising his free hand. He must not disturb other shooters.

the bottom bit of ISSF results can make interesting reading...

In today's RFP Qualification Round a competitor had a AM, 3 shots fired in the sighting series and loaded and fired 5 shots in the 'completion' (8.7.4.2) = 6 points deduction

3x20, DSQ 7.4.6.4.2.3 clothing stiffness: 2 pts .1.1 Too many shots per target: DSQ 7.4.7.10.1 clothing thickness

3x40, 2pts
6.11.7.1.1 Too many shots per target

WAR, DSQ Rule 6.4.2.1.1 strapping: 2pts 6.11.7.1.1 Too many shots per target

gn303 · Post by **gn303** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:10 am

"8.7.4.1 If a shot has not been fired due to a malfunction, and if the shooter wishes to claim a malfunction, he must hold his pistol pointing down range, retain his grip, and immediately inform a Range Officer by raising his free hand. He must not disturb other shooters. "
I guess that's what happened. A pity for the shooter.
Guy[/quote]

gn303 · Post by **gn303** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:10 am

"8.7.4.1 If a shot has not been fired due to a malfunction, and if the shooter wishes to claim a malfunction, he must hold his pistol pointing down range, retain his grip, and immediately inform a Range Officer by raising his free hand. He must not disturb other shooters. "
I guess that's what happened. A pity for the shooter.
Guy

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:54 am

gn303 wrote:"8.7.4.1 If a shot has not been fired due to a malfunction, and if the shooter wishes to claim a malfunction, he must hold his pistol pointing down range, retain his grip, and immediately inform a Range Officer by raising his free hand. He must not disturb other shooters. "
I guess that's what happened. A pity for the shooter.

As I understand it, the shooter claimed a malfunction on the second shot of the second series but put the gun down. Result, NAM, 1 scoring shot and 4 x 0.
On the next series the shooter proceeded as though it had been an AM and only fired 4 shots. Result, 4 scoring shots and 1 x 0.

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:03 pm

Spencer wrote:In today's RFP Qualification Round a competitor had a AM, 3 shots fired in the sighting series and loaded and fired 5 shots in the 'completion' (8.7.4.2) = 6 points deduction

Incidents of this nature seem to happen at many high level matches.

In Rapid Fire Pistol and Standard Pistol, whilst an allowable malfunction in a scoring series results in being able to REPEAT the series (full 5 shots), an allowable malfunction in the sighting series results in being able to COMPLETE the series (unfired shots only).

Spencer · Post by **Spencer** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:36 pm

gn303 wrote:...A pity for the shooter...
Guy

I can only imagine how the shooter felt - I know how my heart sank when I got to the firing point and saw the pistol on the bench, and even further when she stopped at four shots in the subsequent series.

j-team · Post by **j-team** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:18 pm

Spencer wrote:
gn303 wrote:...A pity for the shooter...
Guy
I can only imagine how the shooter felt - I know how my heart sank when I got to the firing point and saw the pistol on the bench, and even further when she stopped at four shots in the subsequent series.

Come on Spencer, admit it, you guys secretly punch the air when this type of thing happens. It's what the jury live for!

Spencer · Post by **Spencer** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:39 pm

j-team wrote:...Come on Spencer, admit it, you guys secretly punch the air when this type of thing happens. It's what the jury live for!

I sincerely hope you are making a joke.

IPshooter · Post by **IPshooter** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:52 pm

What do most shooters do when a malfunction occurs in a precision stage with significant time left? Do they stop and re-fire the whole string (if AM) or do they attempt to clear it, reload, etc.?

Stan

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:18 am

IPshooter wrote:What do most shooters do when a malfunction occurs in a precision stage with significant time left? Do they stop and re-fire the whole string (if AM) or do they attempt to clear it, reload, etc.?

I presume that you are talking about the 150 second series of Standard Pistol. It would then depend how much time you have left. If you have enough time to clear a stoppage/misfire then you might as well do so. Re-shooting the series can only result in an equal, or more probably lower, score.

The question obviously does not arise in the precision stage of 25m/Sport/CF Pistol as you complete the series (1 minute per shot) rather than repeat.

David M · Post by **David M** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:59 am

In the precision stage, a malfunction can usually be cleared by the shooter and finish the series in the allowed time.
Having said that, you would really need to know your gun and have the confidence that you can clear it and complete within the time before you even touch the pistol.

j-team · Post by **j-team** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:48 am

Spencer wrote:I sincerely hope you are making a joke.

I noted elsewhere that you were having a grumpy day, so thought I would contribute.

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