Scatt 25/50m Electronic Target

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:17 am

Anyone here owns this electronic target from Scatt ?

http://www.scatt.com/scatt_usb.htm (see bottom of page)

Do you know if it has to be used at exactly 25 or 50 meters ? I'd be interested to buy one but our indoor range is only 20 meters (65 feet). As I already own a Scatt, could this unit be considered as an ''affordable'' electronic scoring system ? Any info on this new offering would be greatly appreciated: thanks !

Tony C. · Post by **Tony C.** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:10 pm

Looks like its a low cost version of the TRAINER, and it must be set at 25 or 50 m, unlike the other unit that can be set at from 5m and beyond.

Its not a electronic scoring system from what I gather from the manual.

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:33 pm

The part you are referring to is only the down range portion for near (at) the target. Tony is right, it is not an electronic scoring target.

You must have the sensor from the regular 10 meter Scatt to use this target.

Marcus

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:36 pm

You must have the sensor from the regular 10 meter Scatt to use this target

Marcus,

As I wrote in my first post, I already own a standard Scatt USB (the one that can be used from 4 to 12 meters). Of course, I know that I need the optical sensor if I want to use the 25/50m electronic target.

From what I understand, I thought that the 25/50m electronic target could also be used with live ammo (.22 rimfire). If it is indeed possible, then it could also be used as an electronic scoring system, no ?

Guest_66 · Post by **Guest_66** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:45 am

I have never used it myself, but this 25/50m target is made for live shooting (also showing the trace as usual). There has been another version of this target on the market for some years now, made for the earlier Scatt (pre-USB version). That one used another (stronger) sensor, made for that longer range. I guess this also needs another sensor, perhaps it is included.

From what I´ve heard, it is made for shooting indoors. Outdoors, sunbeams will disturb the IR signal.

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:55 am

Paul wrote:From what I understand, I thought that the 25/50m electronic target could also be used with live ammo (.22 rimfire). If it is indeed possible, then it could also be used as an electronic scoring system, no ?

Don't forget that a trainer will only give you a score based on where it calculates that the shot will hit, according to variables which you have to enter into the system. It was not designed to give you perfect scoring; the score is just a byproduct of the processes leading to the shot release. Much more important are the various measurements relating to those processes.

You need a proper scoring system to give you the position of a live shot.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:03 pm

Guest_66,
I haven't used the scatt to test ammo but my understanding of how to use it is to compare where the scatt says the shot landed to where the shot actually landed. The less the error the better the ammo.

I'm deducing that the theory behind this is as the scatt uses a theoretical model to determine where the shot lands, the better the ammo is the closer it will represent theoretical model.

From memory the use of the scatt is discussed in MEC's Air Rifle Shooting book.

Again I haven't actually done any ammo testing with the scatt.

Guest_66 · Post by **Guest_66** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:57 am

If I would use this, it would be for looking at;

- my routine of going into the centre. Is it the same every time?
- my hold in the centre.
- my recoil path vs POI.

That would be very useful for testing different changes in my position and equipment.

Another idea I hade was to put an 'empty' Scatt frame right in front of the Sius target, and shoot through it. That would give me both the trace, and the real score, running the two programs at the same time.

But then, I would need a sensor for 50m... And a risk of getting the Scatt frame shot to pieces :)

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:43 am

Anonymous wrote:I haven't used the scatt to test ammo but my understanding of how to use it is to compare where the scatt says the shot landed to where the shot actually landed. The less the error the better the ammo.

Wrong I'm afraid. You are not making any allowance for how well the f-coefficient is adjusted for you.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:56 pm

David Levene wrote:

It was not designed to give you perfect scoring; the score is just a byproduct of the processes leading to the shot release

A perfect scoring, no, of course but still, an interesting byproduct, no ?

Now, getting back to my original question: anyone knows for sure if that device can be used at 20 meters ?

Thanks !

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:19 am

Paul wrote:A perfect scoring, no, of course but still, an interesting byproduct, no ?

I have never actually considered it so; it doesn't reflect live fire (at least not AP) accurately enough to be considered reliable.

pdeal · Post by **pdeal** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:38 pm

I have used my noptel with live fire. I put a reflective sheet on a Megalink target frame. It works pretty well. It is true that the scoring does not match exactly but is close. particularly with smallbore i think it helps to see what is going on with recoil. I presume you could do the same with the scatt if you had this device.