Rule 6.12.1.1.1

[Reinhamre]

When is a shot fired?
When a bullet has leaved the barrel OR when the primer has ignited?
In case of "Allowable malfunktion", how many shot has been fired if the first bullet stays in barrel?

IF you claim that a shot has been fired if the bullet is stuck in the barrel, what then if shooting air pistol.

Rules involved
6.12.1.1.1 and 6.12.1.1.2

Kent

[Tycho]

I think it's clear that a bullet not leaving the barrel in a "firearm" is a allowable malfunction, as under 8.7.4.3.1.1. So the shot that gets stuck doesn't count as shot fired. It can't be the intentiona of a allowable malfunction to penalize the shooter. On one hand, it would make sense to apply this to AP, too; on the other hand, a empty tank could be seen as the same shooter's mistake as not loading five shots... and under 6.11.4 the propelling charge is seen as a "load", so running out of "load" would probably make that a not allowable malfunction (6.12.3.3?). It could be a potentially clever move to use tanks without manometers - if you run out of air, claim a defect pistol and switch guns, instead of getting a NAM due to the tank showing 40 bar... On the other hand, one would notice a pistol getting "slow", so the risk seems negligible.

[Reinhamre]

I think it's clear that a bullet not leaving the barrel in a "firearm" is a allowable malfunction, as under 8.7.4.3.1.1.

Yes, so far so good but yesterday it happened to a friend of mine and he was not allowed to shoot 5 shots in next serie. (It was the first one that got stuck in barrel.)
I sure whant to know what rule to apply here.
I see your point when it comes to air pistol but assume a sort of teknical malfunktion that pushes the pellet 2 centimeter, has it been "fired"?
I think we all agree that it has not been fired and would like to believe that the same should apply in a center fire match.
Kent

[David Levene]

I think it's clear that a bullet not leaving the barrel in a "firearm" is a allowable malfunction, as under 8.7.4.3.1.1.

Yes, so far so good but yesterday it happened to a friend of mine and he was not allowed to shoot 5 shots in next serie. (It was the first one that got stuck in barrel.)

Tycho is correct. Allowable malfunction, 5 shots in the next series UNLESS he had already claimed a malfunction in the Rapid Stage. In that case he loses all 5 shots from the series.
The other exceptions would be 8.7.4.3.2.1, 8.7.4.3.2.6 or 8.7.4.3.2.8 which would have made it non allowable (all 5 shots lost).

[Tycho]

Hm, somehow that feels wrong to me. As 6.12.1.1.2 explicitely mentions a bullet stuck in the barrel as a allowable ammunition malfunction, the line is obviously drawn at bullet-leaves-barrel-or-not. If it does leave the barrel, the shooter obviously has a problem, as nobody can prove if the shot should have hit the target or not. But if the bullet is still in the barrel, it is quite obvious that this is not the shooter's fault, so I fail to see why the shooter should be penalized. But I can't find a definition of "shot" anywhere, so to make sure, I think you'd ask the ISSF technical committee - there must be a reason why they publish their eMail on the ISSF website ;-) I did that for my question some days ago about the trigger malfunction, and got a reply in two days.