Sius Timing

[Scotty]

Hi,

Can someone please advise me the cut off point for a late shot during the rapid fire stage of Centrefire/Sport Pistol.

Today I saw results with the shot being fired at 3.04, 3.05, 3.06 seconds.

I always thought the cutoff was 3.00 seconds.

Cheers
Scott

[David Levene]

Under ISSF rules:-

6.3.16.12 Standards for 25 m Electronic Scoring Target Systems
6.3.16.12.1 When electronic scoring targets are used the timing equipment will be set to give the nominal exposure times plus 0.1 seconds.
6.3.16.12.2 An “after-time” (the period which is to ensure that shots which would have been valid “skid-shots” on conventional targets, are also scored on the electronic targets) will be added at + 0.2 seconds. (Total = 0.3 seconds).

The timings you quote are therefore perfectly valid shots.

They could even have been valid shots on turning targets where, in addition to the possibility of a skid shot,:-

6.3.16.10.4 for all facing times a tolerance of + 0.2 seconds - 0.0 seconds is allowed.

I hope this helps.

[Scotty]

Thanks David, that cleared it up perfectly.

[Tycho]

I've shot 10s at 3.18 or 3.19 sec, according to the paper strips :-D

[Spencer]

even after more than 10 years of shooting on EST, it still seems unusual to fire a shot when you KNOW the red light has come on and still have it score as 'legal' (no - I don't do it often, but it does happen)

i.e. the red/green lights run the time +/- 0.0, but the target stays open for a further 0.3 second before registering the shot/s as late

[Lilly]

even after more than 10 years of shooting on EST, it still seems unusual to fire a shot when you KNOW the red light has come on and still have it score as 'legal' (no - I don't do it often, but it does happen)

i.e. the red/green lights run the time +/- 0.0, but the target stays open for a further 0.3 second before registering the shot/s as late

It would seem best then to train looking only for the green light, the red light being irrelevant and frankly a distraction (forcing yourself to shoot desipite the red saying "stop shooting").

[David Levene]

It would seem best then to train looking only for the green light, the red light being irrelevant and frankly a distraction (forcing yourself to shoot desipite the red saying "stop shooting").

If you don't fire a shot in a match because the red light is on then you are guaranteed not to score any points with it.

If you do do fire the shot then you might get the points.

Even if you fire the shot too late you don't get an additional penalty. The only thing you lose is the cost of the round.

Whether you would want to train that way is another matter. I would suggest you would be better training to make sure you fire within 3 seconds.

[Scotty]

Thats why I was curious.

On many occasions I saw the light change and thought instantly "That shot was late" only to see a score appear.

Then I checked my daughters printout to see the timing.

Thanks for the clarification David, but now I have to convince her to get them away on green and not to think she has a bit longer to wait.....

[Spencer]

...It would seem best then to train looking only for the green light, the red light being irrelevant and frankly a distraction (forcing yourself to shoot desipite the red saying "stop shooting").

I am (hopefully) only looking at the front sight, but occasionally will be a bit slow on a 6-seconds string and aware that the red light has has come on as I am firing the fifth shot in RFP.

Moral of the story would be that I should shoot, and train for, more RFP