Electronic trigger

Muffo · Post by **Muffo** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:33 am

With the Morini electronic trigger is there meant to be a feelable point of slackness, at which the trigger would be set off, if it was turned on whilst it is turned off? Sorry if this is confusing but I wasnt quiet sure how to word it.

deadeyedick · Post by **deadeyedick** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:57 am

Could you have another go at it Muffo.

Muffo · Post by **Muffo** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:05 am

ok. the trigger weight is controlled by a spring and the electronic trigger is set off by the solinoid. when squeezing the trigger with it turned off I can still feel the point that the solinoid is set off when its turned on. This means that even with the trigger off i am still dry firing. Is this normal?

Nev C · Post by **Nev C** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:35 am

Hi Muffo, there is no difference in the feel of the trigger in live fire or dry fire.
BTW, the solenoid is set off by the trigger, not vice versa.

Steve Swartz as Guest · Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:57 am

The feel of the resistance will be the same every time yoiu manipulate the trigger:

1. live fire

2. dry fire

3. "pumping" the trigger with electronics off

The differences are that under 1. you won't notice the solenoid letoff (of the second stage engagement for that matter). Under 2. you will feel the second stage engage in conjunction with the "click" which prevents you from feeling the solenoid letoff. Under 3. yoiu will feel everything- the second stage engage at about the same time you feel the slight "bump" as the solenoid lets off.

Steve Swartz

Steve Swartz as Guest · Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:59 am

OBTW while pumping the trigger with electronics turned youa re not "technically" dry firing per se . . . but it is a very useful training exercise in it's own right (pump the trigger while maintaining alignment against a neutral surface is excellent for developing trigger control and "Feel")..

Just don't forget to actually dry fire . . .

Mark Briggs · Post by **Mark Briggs** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:16 pm

And one additional point of clarification... If you have developed a sufficiently sensitive finger you will actually feel the switch contacts changing position when actuating the trigger with electronics turned "off". Normally during dry and live firing you cannot feel this change in the trigger switch, but with the electronics turned off it is easily detectible if you are using appropriate trigger technique.

Muffo · Post by **Muffo** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:56 am

This is what i was asking about. I had hoped that this wasnt the case. I wanted to be able to pump the trigger with it turned off. But as i can still fell the point at which the shot would be released in live fire it is almost the same as dry firing

Steve Swartz as Guest · Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:36 am

Muffo:

My point is you should be doing both.

Pumping the trigger with electronics turned off allows you to feel the switch being picked up off the contacts. This is where the shot would actually be released; which is ever-so-slightly beyond the engagement of the second stage spring.

And

Pumping the deactivated trigger allows you to concentrate more effectively on any movement to sight alignment;which is of course the most important element of training.

But

You should still dry fire with that annoying click etc. And you should still live fire of course.

Steve

Oz · Post by Oz » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:57 am

If I had an electronic trigger I'd create a small randomizer circuit board which would interrupt the electronic trigger's power solenoid.

That would create a random 'dry-fire' rather than live fire. You could rheostat it and make it randomly choose dry-fire more or less often. I should patent this... ;)

Oz

Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:21 am

You'd probably be too late, friend of mine has something like that in a selfmade e-TOZ...

Oz · Post by Oz » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:56 pm

Tycho wrote:You'd probably be too late, friend of mine has something like that in a selfmade e-TOZ...

Not too late if he hasn't submitted for a patent ;) Don't worry, I'm not going after it. But HE should!

Steve Swartz as Guest · Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:53 pm

Oz:

Great idea- that would replicate the popular and effective "ball and dummy" drill.

Steve

Muffo · Post by **Muffo** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:40 pm

Wow thats a really good idea. Feel free to start making them you would probably get a lot of buyers. I need some1 to make me a shorter circuit board so i can cut the bottom of my grip off

Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:14 am

Talk to Francesco. There is a much smaller electronic that fits into the same plug that we know. It's about as big as the vertical part of today's electronic.

jsealc21 · Post by **jsealc21** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:37 am

Tycho wrote:You'd probably be too late, friend of mine has something like that in a selfmade e-TOZ...

Tycho,would your friend's e-trigger practically solve some of the problems where parts are an issue in the Toz trigger group.I am sure there are quite a few 35's lying around mortally wounded,that could be resuscitated. Is this a project that could be replicated without too much trouble? Perhaps some pictures,etc ?

Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:51 am

Jeez, haven't seen that pistol around for some years... I think he built it with some H152 parts, but can't be sure about that. Seeing what else he (and some other guys, back in the early 80s) put together, I very much doubt that it would be suitable for serial production. On the other hand, some years ago there was a big hype about a Morini e-kit for the TOZ 35 that was to be presented at the big gun show in Lucerne - presentation was cancelled at the last minute, but it was officially planned, so Francesco has to have something in the drawer. Perhaps if enough people go and mail him, he'd have a change of heart...

jsealc21 · Post by **jsealc21** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:19 am

Tycho wrote:Jeez, haven't seen that pistol around for some years... I think he built it with some H152 parts, but can't be sure about that. Seeing what else he (and some other guys, back in the early 80s) put together, I very much doubt that it would be suitable for serial production. On the other hand, some years ago there was a big hype about a Morini e-kit for the TOZ 35 that was to be presented at the big gun show in Lucerne - presentation was cancelled at the last minute, but it was officially planned, so Francesco has to have something in the drawer. Perhaps if enough people go and mail him, he'd have a change of heart...

Is there an appropriate email address ?